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		<title>By: ivoivo</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-40106</link>
		<dc:creator>ivoivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>az sam velik</description>
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		<title>By: Wick</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-26520</link>
		<dc:creator>Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?
What&#039;s real anyways?
Who says?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?<br />
What&#8217;s real anyways?<br />
Who says?</p>
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		<title>By: American Madness &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Photoshopping</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-3016</link>
		<dc:creator>American Madness &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Photoshopping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;editing&#8221; photos to see how far back the practice actually extends. Over at the blog A Photo Editor ( blog by a Photo Editor at a &#8220;National Magazine&#8221;) the writer comments on the New York [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] &#8220;editing&#8221; photos to see how far back the practice actually extends. Over at the blog A Photo Editor ( blog by a Photo Editor at a &#8220;National Magazine&#8221;) the writer comments on the New York [...]</div>
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		<title>By: RetortaBlog &#183; Retouching: The Head Pop</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>RetortaBlog &#183; Retouching: The Head Pop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Retouching: The Head Pop [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michelle Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks to me, reading the digital tampering in the media page, that the only thing which seems to have changed in all that time, is that some alterations are worse now than their earlier counterparts.  Who said that digital was better? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me, reading the digital tampering in the media page, that the only thing which seems to have changed in all that time, is that some alterations are worse now than their earlier counterparts.  Who said that digital was better? <img src='http://www.aphotoeditor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1208</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the very fact you automatically assumed this was a comp is scary. It shows the number of shoddy photographers working out there who can&#039;t be bothered, or maybe just can&#039;t, get a photo right first time. The world can be perfect without being fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the very fact you automatically assumed this was a comp is scary. It shows the number of shoddy photographers working out there who can&#8217;t be bothered, or maybe just can&#8217;t, get a photo right first time. The world can be perfect without being fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: ed v.h.</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed v.h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: giacomo

great jump for a one legged basketball player.....</description>
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<p>great jump for a one legged basketball player&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: giacomo</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>giacomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/bestseatinthehouse/2007/10/sonics_kevin_durants_big_jump.html</description>
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		<title>By: giacomo</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>giacomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a similar type of shot and the photographer&#039;s actual comments on the process of creating the image. Definitely no &quot;popping&quot; here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a similar type of shot and the photographer&#8217;s actual comments on the process of creating the image. Definitely no &#8220;popping&#8221; here.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-02 &#124; TrentHead.Com</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-11-02 &#124; TrentHead.Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Photo Editor » Blog Archive » Retouching: The Head Pop It appears I’m wrong about Finlay Mackay retouching the image of Steve Nash (tags: photojournalism ethics) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dave gess</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>dave gess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That magnum site is inspiring.  All those photos pop and you know there is very little Photoshoping going on.  Nice link</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That magnum site is inspiring.  All those photos pop and you know there is very little Photoshoping going on.  Nice link</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies to everyone for a slight highjack, but since we&#039;re on the subject of the NYTimes, and morals and ethics, I encourage everyone to view the post today, on the Magnum Blog -- 29 photographs of the last Magnum meeting.

You&#039;ve got Today, where as A.P.E. says, &quot;retouching is ubiquitous anymore&quot;, and then you&#039;ve got these Magnum folks, who are still shooting away. I know times are changing, and celebrities rule the world, but you just have to view these 29 images, and think of the combined imagery of these people, and feel respect.

Paul Fusco&#039;s picture of the RFK Funeral Train still sends chills up my spine, every time I see it.

http://blog.magnumphotos.com/  (Nov 1 post)

If you don&#039;t know each of their work, just spend some time with Google, or on the Magnum site.

Sorry for the diversion. Now back to regular programming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies to everyone for a slight highjack, but since we&#8217;re on the subject of the NYTimes, and morals and ethics, I encourage everyone to view the post today, on the Magnum Blog &#8212; 29 photographs of the last Magnum meeting.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got Today, where as A.P.E. says, &#8220;retouching is ubiquitous anymore&#8221;, and then you&#8217;ve got these Magnum folks, who are still shooting away. I know times are changing, and celebrities rule the world, but you just have to view these 29 images, and think of the combined imagery of these people, and feel respect.</p>
<p>Paul Fusco&#8217;s picture of the RFK Funeral Train still sends chills up my spine, every time I see it.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.magnumphotos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.magnumphotos.com/</a>  (Nov 1 post)</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know each of their work, just spend some time with Google, or on the Magnum site.</p>
<p>Sorry for the diversion. Now back to regular programming.</p>
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		<title>By: Before Photoshop&#8230; &#171; Photo Two-Twenty&#8230;The Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator>Before Photoshop&#8230; &#171; Photo Two-Twenty&#8230;The Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] learned about this here.)   Posted in Just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, don&#039;t see the big deal with that shot.  

any skilled photog from the good ol&#039;days knows you would shot an 4x5 or 8x10 tranny exactly as you wanted it to run in press.  

It&#039;s not that big of a deal, just knowing what you&#039;re doing and taking the time to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, don&#8217;t see the big deal with that shot.  </p>
<p>any skilled photog from the good ol&#8217;days knows you would shot an 4&#215;5 or 8&#215;10 tranny exactly as you wanted it to run in press.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that big of a deal, just knowing what you&#8217;re doing and taking the time to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1117</link>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have the time, skill and imagination, you can make all sorts of things....

http://www.iphotocentral.com/Photos/csphoto_Images/Full/CS9598.jpg

http://bertc.com/three_crows.htm

:o]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have the time, skill and imagination, you can make all sorts of things&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iphotocentral.com/Photos/csphoto_Images/Full/CS9598.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.iphotocentral.com/Photos/csphoto_Images/Full/CS9598.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://bertc.com/three_crows.htm" rel="nofollow">http://bertc.com/three_crows.htm</a></p>
<p> <img src='http://www.aphotoeditor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> ]</p>
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		<title>By: iwasthere</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>iwasthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened to be at this shoot.  Finlay captured this image just as you see it aside from the crop and adjustments to the contrast and color.  Finlay and Steve are both professionals, working together, they got a perfect shot, one that is almost too good to be real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened to be at this shoot.  Finlay captured this image just as you see it aside from the crop and adjustments to the contrast and color.  Finlay and Steve are both professionals, working together, they got a perfect shot, one that is almost too good to be real.</p>
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		<title>By: stikman</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>stikman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this posting is funny, because I am also reading about Hillary Clinton pulling out of a vanity fair shoot today and says &#039;leibovitz had cameras in hand&#039;......There would have been some retouching going on there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this posting is funny, because I am also reading about Hillary Clinton pulling out of a vanity fair shoot today and says &#8216;leibovitz had cameras in hand&#8217;&#8230;&#8230;There would have been some retouching going on there.</p>
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		<title>By: john mcd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>john mcd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is it so hard to accept that a skilled photographer and a skilled athlete can work together to produce such an image through good technique, cooperation and persistence without resorting to post-production compositing? people do it all the time. and all photos these days are worked on in some way in post-production, even if it&#039;s just a skin tone, contrast or saturation adjustment. but to assume that a photo like this had to have been created in post is unfair. and even if it was, so what? the only issue here seems to be whether the NY Times&#039; strict rules about manipulation of photographs apply to pictures in the magazine. it&#039;s clear that many NYT Magazine stories are features using illustrations and not news stories. so what&#039;s the problem? it&#039;s a very nice, set-up picture of a great athlete. you either like it or you don&#039;t. but once you publish a set-up picture I think discussions of whether it&#039;s journalistically ethical to alter the image in post are ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is it so hard to accept that a skilled photographer and a skilled athlete can work together to produce such an image through good technique, cooperation and persistence without resorting to post-production compositing? people do it all the time. and all photos these days are worked on in some way in post-production, even if it&#8217;s just a skin tone, contrast or saturation adjustment. but to assume that a photo like this had to have been created in post is unfair. and even if it was, so what? the only issue here seems to be whether the NY Times&#8217; strict rules about manipulation of photographs apply to pictures in the magazine. it&#8217;s clear that many NYT Magazine stories are features using illustrations and not news stories. so what&#8217;s the problem? it&#8217;s a very nice, set-up picture of a great athlete. you either like it or you don&#8217;t. but once you publish a set-up picture I think discussions of whether it&#8217;s journalistically ethical to alter the image in post are ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: yet another photographer</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>yet another photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the panties, showing them that is but I couldn&#039;t fault an editor for making the call to make the fix. My favorite imperfection is the bruise (or birthmark) on her thigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the panties, showing them that is but I couldn&#8217;t fault an editor for making the call to make the fix. My favorite imperfection is the bruise (or birthmark) on her thigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon M</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will bet that the image was made in camera.</description>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1104</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muir --
Personally, I think I would have preferred the underwear not to show. I think it&#039;s gratuitous and I think that warrants photo manipulation so as not to offend people unnecessarily. It&#039;s already enough of a statement just to show her in a mini-skirt in front of the other ladies in dresses. But they should have notified you about the manipulation though.

Israeli Death Metal... nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muir &#8211;<br />
Personally, I think I would have preferred the underwear not to show. I think it&#8217;s gratuitous and I think that warrants photo manipulation so as not to offend people unnecessarily. It&#8217;s already enough of a statement just to show her in a mini-skirt in front of the other ladies in dresses. But they should have notified you about the manipulation though.</p>
<p>Israeli Death Metal&#8230; nice.</p>
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		<title>By: muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times Magazine published a picture of mine and retouched it themselves without even mentioning it to me. The first I knew was when I saw it it the magazine. The picture was from a series on a beauty pageant in Libya and showed a scantily clad pageant girl lying in front of some rather more heavily clad Libyan women in the Sahara desert. From the angle I shot you can see a tiny bit of the girls underwear. Which was apparently deemed to be so offensive they extended her skirt an inch or two to cover the offending lingerie... You can see the photo on my website by going to www.muirvidler.com click on &#039;projects&#039; then &#039;libyan beauty pageant&#039;. Its the first picture in the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times Magazine published a picture of mine and retouched it themselves without even mentioning it to me. The first I knew was when I saw it it the magazine. The picture was from a series on a beauty pageant in Libya and showed a scantily clad pageant girl lying in front of some rather more heavily clad Libyan women in the Sahara desert. From the angle I shot you can see a tiny bit of the girls underwear. Which was apparently deemed to be so offensive they extended her skirt an inch or two to cover the offending lingerie&#8230; You can see the photo on my website by going to <a href="http://www.muirvidler.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.muirvidler.com</a> click on &#8216;projects&#8217; then &#8216;libyan beauty pageant&#8217;. Its the first picture in the series.</p>
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		<title>By: boingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>boingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Terry retouches too.  Sorry to burst your bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Terry retouches too.  Sorry to burst your bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Jarecke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Jarecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t tell when something has been &quot;popped&quot; or not why do it? 

It&#039;s a cute term, but personally, I&#039;m tired of constantly being popped by politicians. Does it work in that context?

The same thing happens with CGI in film. People fly around and do amazing things, but you know it&#039;s not real, so there&#039;s no emotional impact.

Sometimes the best, most beautiful thing is the imperfections. The realness.

The perfect photos are fake, not cool. Every viewer can feel it even if the don&#039;t express it. Perfectness weakens the medium and levels the playing field, so there&#039;s no greatness rising above the crowd. 

How else can you explain the great sales/reviews of Brittney Spears latest album?

Terry Richardson is a (literally) crappy photographer, but at least he&#039;s real.

Maybe that explains his success in the plastic world of fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t tell when something has been &#8220;popped&#8221; or not why do it? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a cute term, but personally, I&#8217;m tired of constantly being popped by politicians. Does it work in that context?</p>
<p>The same thing happens with CGI in film. People fly around and do amazing things, but you know it&#8217;s not real, so there&#8217;s no emotional impact.</p>
<p>Sometimes the best, most beautiful thing is the imperfections. The realness.</p>
<p>The perfect photos are fake, not cool. Every viewer can feel it even if the don&#8217;t express it. Perfectness weakens the medium and levels the playing field, so there&#8217;s no greatness rising above the crowd. </p>
<p>How else can you explain the great sales/reviews of Brittney Spears latest album?</p>
<p>Terry Richardson is a (literally) crappy photographer, but at least he&#8217;s real.</p>
<p>Maybe that explains his success in the plastic world of fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Werner- not true about fashion photography.  

Sure, it&#039;s not held to the same standards as, say, war reportage, but the clothing is often reworked, from liquefy-ing a silhouette to shortening a hem to removing seams, wrinkles, tears &amp; runs, zippers and all kinds of &quot;alterations&quot; to the clothing.  In fact, fashion imagery generally is there to **sell** the clothing they&#039;re featuring (sure it&#039;s &quot;editorial&quot; but what do you think gets a particular company to advertise?)...  to quote the NY Times&#039; policy, it&#039;s not always &quot;unmistakable to the reader&quot;.

That said, I think the point of the original post was to illustrate that altered photos are as old as photography itself and about the NY Times&#039; selective enforcement of their &quot;policy&quot;.  If you ask me, the NY Times photo policy is ridiculous for absolving burning, dodging and cropping.  Those decisions alter the meaning of an image by the very virtue of being decisions of what information is included or excluded from an image.  

Fact is, photography is never an &quot;objective&quot; medium so why behave as if it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werner- not true about fashion photography.  </p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s not held to the same standards as, say, war reportage, but the clothing is often reworked, from liquefy-ing a silhouette to shortening a hem to removing seams, wrinkles, tears &amp; runs, zippers and all kinds of &#8220;alterations&#8221; to the clothing.  In fact, fashion imagery generally is there to **sell** the clothing they&#8217;re featuring (sure it&#8217;s &#8220;editorial&#8221; but what do you think gets a particular company to advertise?)&#8230;  to quote the NY Times&#8217; policy, it&#8217;s not always &#8220;unmistakable to the reader&#8221;.</p>
<p>That said, I think the point of the original post was to illustrate that altered photos are as old as photography itself and about the NY Times&#8217; selective enforcement of their &#8220;policy&#8221;.  If you ask me, the NY Times photo policy is ridiculous for absolving burning, dodging and cropping.  Those decisions alter the meaning of an image by the very virtue of being decisions of what information is included or excluded from an image.  </p>
<p>Fact is, photography is never an &#8220;objective&#8221; medium so why behave as if it is?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce DeBoer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce DeBoer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jayson - at the risk of highjacking this post, I&#039;m fairly certain the shot was a composite.  The water doesn&#039;t look like it was lit by the same light as Ms. Crow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayson &#8211; at the risk of highjacking this post, I&#8217;m fairly certain the shot was a composite.  The water doesn&#8217;t look like it was lit by the same light as Ms. Crow.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jayson--I&#039;m not going to argue that the Sheryl Crow cover isn&#039;t heavily retouched, because of course it is (we don&#039;t even know what real skin looks like anymore) . But as an assistant, I will say that I&#039;ve hung Profoto 7B packs on stands in several feet of water a few more times than I&#039;d like. That part could have been done in camera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayson&#8211;I&#8217;m not going to argue that the Sheryl Crow cover isn&#8217;t heavily retouched, because of course it is (we don&#8217;t even know what real skin looks like anymore) . But as an assistant, I will say that I&#8217;ve hung Profoto 7B packs on stands in several feet of water a few more times than I&#8217;d like. That part could have been done in camera.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/01/retouching-the-head-pop/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayson Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I see images like this one of Sheryl Crow, for example, you just wonder, did they drag a HighHigh out into this water? An ocean of infinity, but there happens to be an OctoBox right there in the water? Hmm. And then, the next issue is Heather Graham, basically in the same scene. Is there a Shape Magazine Ocean Photo Studio somewhere, or maybe just a few stock images lying around, and a good retoucher that skews toward orange and pink?

http://tinyurl.com/2brja4

As far as the NY Times, it just gets dicey when, as you&#039;re lying in bed on a Sunday morning, flipping the pages, and as you lie down the uncoated newsprint section, you leave one set of standards, and then you pick up The Magazine, and instantly, you walk into a whole other set of retouching standards. But both sections have the NYTimes logo in the Old English font, presumably, the same mindset.

You also have to watch for when they use fine artists (photographers), but they don&#039;t clearly label the imagery as illustration. They simply credit it as &quot;Photo by _____&quot;, and leave it at that.

You just have to wonder how much of this is advertiser-driven, and the whole goal is &quot;everything be perfect&quot;, and the truth be damned. Could we not start with just a clearly written caption? &quot;Hey, we swapped the heads. We trimmed her thighs with the Liquify Filter. We retouched the skin, (a lot). That background was never there; she was in a photo studio at Industria.&quot; It might make someone think twice if they had to sit down and write the caption, listing everything done, knowing it was going to be published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I see images like this one of Sheryl Crow, for example, you just wonder, did they drag a HighHigh out into this water? An ocean of infinity, but there happens to be an OctoBox right there in the water? Hmm. And then, the next issue is Heather Graham, basically in the same scene. Is there a Shape Magazine Ocean Photo Studio somewhere, or maybe just a few stock images lying around, and a good retoucher that skews toward orange and pink?</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2brja4" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2brja4</a></p>
<p>As far as the NY Times, it just gets dicey when, as you&#8217;re lying in bed on a Sunday morning, flipping the pages, and as you lie down the uncoated newsprint section, you leave one set of standards, and then you pick up The Magazine, and instantly, you walk into a whole other set of retouching standards. But both sections have the NYTimes logo in the Old English font, presumably, the same mindset.</p>
<p>You also have to watch for when they use fine artists (photographers), but they don&#8217;t clearly label the imagery as illustration. They simply credit it as &#8220;Photo by _____&#8221;, and leave it at that.</p>
<p>You just have to wonder how much of this is advertiser-driven, and the whole goal is &#8220;everything be perfect&#8221;, and the truth be damned. Could we not start with just a clearly written caption? &#8220;Hey, we swapped the heads. We trimmed her thighs with the Liquify Filter. We retouched the skin, (a lot). That background was never there; she was in a photo studio at Industria.&#8221; It might make someone think twice if they had to sit down and write the caption, listing everything done, knowing it was going to be published.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Bush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do they enforce this policy?  Do they collect the original film or raw files?

Personally, I like the policy, and use something like it myself - not as a rule so much, but as a general mindset.  I may have removed a minor blemish *occasionally*, but the idea of reworking an image digitally kills the whole joy and point of photography for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do they enforce this policy?  Do they collect the original film or raw files?</p>
<p>Personally, I like the policy, and use something like it myself &#8211; not as a rule so much, but as a general mindset.  I may have removed a minor blemish *occasionally*, but the idea of reworking an image digitally kills the whole joy and point of photography for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well I think there is one rule for the newspaper and one rule for the magazine.</description>
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