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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: Saturday Speedlinks: 11/10/2007 &#124; Cosa de Chicos</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-28419</link>
		<dc:creator>Saturday Speedlinks: 11/10/2007 &#124; Cosa de Chicos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] • With one post, aphotoeditor.com pissed off every single photog in flyover country. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Get Inside the Head of a Real Photo Editor! &#171; clique</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-5560</link>
		<dc:creator>Get Inside the Head of a Real Photo Editor! &#171; clique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crapshoot - Looks like living outside LA or NYC can be a big disadvantage! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fioricet.</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-3529</link>
		<dc:creator>Fioricet.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fioricet online....&lt;/strong&gt;

Fioricet prescription. Fioricet and blood work. Generic fioricet online....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC"><strong>Fioricet online&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Fioricet prescription. Fioricet and blood work. Generic fioricet online&#8230;.</p></div>
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		<title>By: J.M. Giordano</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>J.M. Giordano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Baltimore. I&#039;m good.</description>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor - The &#8220;Business&#8221; of Photography</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1865</link>
		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor - The &#8220;Business&#8221; of Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know how I missed this comment from the &#8220;Crapshoot&#8221; post but It&#8217;s really good and worth bringing up front. BRRRRRR [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] know how I missed this comment from the &#8220;Crapshoot&#8221; post but It&#8217;s really good and worth bringing up front. BRRRRRR [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Ferd McMillian</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd McMillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you need quality shooters? I hear there are a bunch working over at VH1. Apparently they let one go every Sunday night. Maybe you should consider one of those washouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you need quality shooters? I hear there are a bunch working over at VH1. Apparently they let one go every Sunday night. Maybe you should consider one of those washouts.</p>
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		<title>By: AaronfromQueens</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1605</link>
		<dc:creator>AaronfromQueens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could take back what I just wrote.  NY is already very, very crowded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could take back what I just wrote.  NY is already very, very crowded.</p>
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		<title>By: AaronfromQueens</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>AaronfromQueens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Photographers move to LA or NYC from all over the world to compete for these jobs.  Can you really blame photo editors for looking within the local pool since it is a very large pool of talent that holds some of the hardest working and most talented photographers in the world?  Don&#039;t cry because Conde Nast didn&#039;t come looking for you in Iowa.  Thousands have already come from Iowa to be closer to Conde Nast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Photographers move to LA or NYC from all over the world to compete for these jobs.  Can you really blame photo editors for looking within the local pool since it is a very large pool of talent that holds some of the hardest working and most talented photographers in the world?  Don&#8217;t cry because Conde Nast didn&#8217;t come looking for you in Iowa.  Thousands have already come from Iowa to be closer to Conde Nast.</p>
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		<title>By: Photo News Today &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Crapshoot</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1498</link>
		<dc:creator>Photo News Today &#187; Blog Archives &#187; Crapshoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Source and Read More: A Photo Editor [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so if I move to L.A. or New York City, I&#039;ll become a good photographer?    You gotta love the diversity that you&#039;re seeing coming from those two cities--oh, I&#039;m sorry, the ONLY two cities in the entire country.  No wonder 99% of magazines are crap and all look the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so if I move to L.A. or New York City, I&#8217;ll become a good photographer?    You gotta love the diversity that you&#8217;re seeing coming from those two cities&#8211;oh, I&#8217;m sorry, the ONLY two cities in the entire country.  No wonder 99% of magazines are crap and all look the same.</p>
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		<title>By: BRRRRRR</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>BRRRRRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW I am an art director in a completely unrelated field (ie not magazines), and I think it&#039;s worth noting that we&#039;re seeing a tremendous increase in last-minute work as well. I haven&#039;t quite puzzled out why yet, though I think the volatile economic climate is an obvious guess. Clients are waiting until way late in the game to pull the trigger on projects. Sometimes this is because they&#039;re being put through more rigorous approval processes themselves (ie, the CFOs are watching, more closely than they were even 2 years ago). Anyone attached to a big corp is not spending as freely as they were. It&#039;s crushing, but things are tense now and you can&#039;t say no. But yes, it does reduce your capacity to do put together a more interesting project, and it does increase your reliance on known quantities.

And no, nobody but the bean counters likes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW I am an art director in a completely unrelated field (ie not magazines), and I think it&#8217;s worth noting that we&#8217;re seeing a tremendous increase in last-minute work as well. I haven&#8217;t quite puzzled out why yet, though I think the volatile economic climate is an obvious guess. Clients are waiting until way late in the game to pull the trigger on projects. Sometimes this is because they&#8217;re being put through more rigorous approval processes themselves (ie, the CFOs are watching, more closely than they were even 2 years ago). Anyone attached to a big corp is not spending as freely as they were. It&#8217;s crushing, but things are tense now and you can&#8217;t say no. But yes, it does reduce your capacity to do put together a more interesting project, and it does increase your reliance on known quantities.</p>
<p>And no, nobody but the bean counters likes it.</p>
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		<title>By: BRRRRRR</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>BRRRRRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s admirable to think it could all be about the images, and it&#039;s inspiring to think of the art world as a model. But this is about business, and business doesn&#039;t work that way. Look at most of the content that goes into these stories or ads or whatever the assignments are: it&#039;s silly crap to begin with. How can the hullaballoo that surrounds it not contain a degree of silly crap?

It&#039;s pretty easy to sit outside the big markets and complain about how incestuous they are. Then you step into those big markets and you realize they contain whole universes. The competition is fierce. No, talent does not always rise to the top. But professionalism often does. A temperament and a capacity for managing the business environment, the clients and their often wacked out notions, peers, reps and agents, editors, the egos of all concerned, so on and so forth -- and then on top of it to get shots: that&#039;s what will get honed in those contexts. You don&#039;t have to like it; hell, many of the people who go through it don&#039;t *like* it. But most of those who manage to negotiate it one way or another will acknowledge they got something out of it, and that it made them &quot;better&quot; in some sense of the word.

Art, or voice, or vision, or whatever you want to call it, happens as an accident in this world. Everybody in the business is interested in it to some degree, but it&#039;s rare that any of them get the chance to foreground it. Someone else&#039;s expectations are always driving the car, and someone else&#039;s credit card is always putting gas in the tank. Getting the job done -- whatever the job is perceived to be by the ones who are paying for it -- becomes priority one. Time matters; familiarity with the game matters; proximity matters; track record matters. You can&#039;t blame people for minimizing risk when that&#039;s part of what they&#039;ve been explicitly charged with doing by the guys who put bread on their tables.

Also, the fact is that there are so many people working in those big markets that you often don&#039;t *have* to go outside them. I guarantee you there are 20 young photographers in Brooklyn who don&#039;t just know Nebraska (or wherever) but actually grew up there, and are willing to fly there tomorrow and work for a song. They are as hungry as anyone else, and a few of them might prove to be as talented. It may be vicious, but it&#039;s also real.

Someone earlier nailed what may be one of the best strategies: do your time in a big market, endure it, get your game on, then take it to a smaller market and clean house. I have a good friend who did exactly that last year, leaving NYC after several tough but productive years and going to a smaller market, where he&#039;s not just surviving but thriving, in part due to all he picked up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s admirable to think it could all be about the images, and it&#8217;s inspiring to think of the art world as a model. But this is about business, and business doesn&#8217;t work that way. Look at most of the content that goes into these stories or ads or whatever the assignments are: it&#8217;s silly crap to begin with. How can the hullaballoo that surrounds it not contain a degree of silly crap?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty easy to sit outside the big markets and complain about how incestuous they are. Then you step into those big markets and you realize they contain whole universes. The competition is fierce. No, talent does not always rise to the top. But professionalism often does. A temperament and a capacity for managing the business environment, the clients and their often wacked out notions, peers, reps and agents, editors, the egos of all concerned, so on and so forth &#8212; and then on top of it to get shots: that&#8217;s what will get honed in those contexts. You don&#8217;t have to like it; hell, many of the people who go through it don&#8217;t *like* it. But most of those who manage to negotiate it one way or another will acknowledge they got something out of it, and that it made them &#8220;better&#8221; in some sense of the word.</p>
<p>Art, or voice, or vision, or whatever you want to call it, happens as an accident in this world. Everybody in the business is interested in it to some degree, but it&#8217;s rare that any of them get the chance to foreground it. Someone else&#8217;s expectations are always driving the car, and someone else&#8217;s credit card is always putting gas in the tank. Getting the job done &#8212; whatever the job is perceived to be by the ones who are paying for it &#8212; becomes priority one. Time matters; familiarity with the game matters; proximity matters; track record matters. You can&#8217;t blame people for minimizing risk when that&#8217;s part of what they&#8217;ve been explicitly charged with doing by the guys who put bread on their tables.</p>
<p>Also, the fact is that there are so many people working in those big markets that you often don&#8217;t *have* to go outside them. I guarantee you there are 20 young photographers in Brooklyn who don&#8217;t just know Nebraska (or wherever) but actually grew up there, and are willing to fly there tomorrow and work for a song. They are as hungry as anyone else, and a few of them might prove to be as talented. It may be vicious, but it&#8217;s also real.</p>
<p>Someone earlier nailed what may be one of the best strategies: do your time in a big market, endure it, get your game on, then take it to a smaller market and clean house. I have a good friend who did exactly that last year, leaving NYC after several tough but productive years and going to a smaller market, where he&#8217;s not just surviving but thriving, in part due to all he picked up.</p>
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		<title>By: lynch</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator>lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not get an illustrator then if you need to think that fast?</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at a very large American magazine and if you want to understand how and why decisions are made, here&#039;s the answer: It&#039;s high school all over again. 

Everything is politics, everything is about making yourself look good in the eyes of the people higher up on the corporate ladder. So of course you&#039;re going to want photographers from the cool cities like NY, London, and Sidney. 

There are some non-NY shooters who are used, but they tend to live in places like Vail or Ojai and only get used for special projects. 

It&#039;s all about image. Do you have the right hair, do you have art directors up for weekends at your casually stylish farm in the Hudson Valley, do you dress head to toe in  slightly beat-up Prada? 

If not, it&#039;s time to make some changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a very large American magazine and if you want to understand how and why decisions are made, here&#8217;s the answer: It&#8217;s high school all over again. </p>
<p>Everything is politics, everything is about making yourself look good in the eyes of the people higher up on the corporate ladder. So of course you&#8217;re going to want photographers from the cool cities like NY, London, and Sidney. </p>
<p>There are some non-NY shooters who are used, but they tend to live in places like Vail or Ojai and only get used for special projects. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about image. Do you have the right hair, do you have art directors up for weekends at your casually stylish farm in the Hudson Valley, do you dress head to toe in  slightly beat-up Prada? </p>
<p>If not, it&#8217;s time to make some changes.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to hear more about your page rates and how much they vary from year to year. I had no idea thats how it worked. How much do they vary from mag to mag inside a publisher?

Great Blog. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to hear more about your page rates and how much they vary from year to year. I had no idea thats how it worked. How much do they vary from mag to mag inside a publisher?</p>
<p>Great Blog. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Quackator</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Quackator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m often hired for last minutes cleaner jobs when others have already effed up. Do I like it? No, I could produce much better pictures with time for planning and preparation, and it always helps to do the casting and scouting with my own resources rather than make do with what is already there in an already half effed up production. But then I am hired because people know I can produce something which at a very high chance is at least passable.

Professional photography is not always about the best image in the world.
It is about to be able to really deliver with a clear line about what it will
cost and how long it will take.

&quot;Can you do this for sure?&quot; is what most of the guys ask after 
being in a rut. Guarantee to deliver or bail out.

And yes, last minute shots involve money man to kick it at some point or another. I involves guerilla tactics hit and run style because you have no permit (no time for it) and it involves to be very fast in setting up and folding down. Getting a permit and everything together in weeklong preparation and drive there with one assistant like picknicking is giving you more profit than improvising and hiring people and stuff on the spot, not to speak of bribery. The latter surprisingly enough often without proper tax deductable receipt....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m often hired for last minutes cleaner jobs when others have already effed up. Do I like it? No, I could produce much better pictures with time for planning and preparation, and it always helps to do the casting and scouting with my own resources rather than make do with what is already there in an already half effed up production. But then I am hired because people know I can produce something which at a very high chance is at least passable.</p>
<p>Professional photography is not always about the best image in the world.<br />
It is about to be able to really deliver with a clear line about what it will<br />
cost and how long it will take.</p>
<p>&#8220;Can you do this for sure?&#8221; is what most of the guys ask after<br />
being in a rut. Guarantee to deliver or bail out.</p>
<p>And yes, last minute shots involve money man to kick it at some point or another. I involves guerilla tactics hit and run style because you have no permit (no time for it) and it involves to be very fast in setting up and folding down. Getting a permit and everything together in weeklong preparation and drive there with one assistant like picknicking is giving you more profit than improvising and hiring people and stuff on the spot, not to speak of bribery. The latter surprisingly enough often without proper tax deductable receipt&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Day19</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>Day19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t everyone just move to NY or LA or both?  Everyone else is doing it.  There&#039;s plenty of room here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t everyone just move to NY or LA or both?  Everyone else is doing it.  There&#8217;s plenty of room here.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Bird</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1303</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a job for Newsweek for which they needed a local with local connections.  I recognize it&#039;s a one-off (I&#039;m not rep&#039;ed yet) but NYC is the black hole where all the wanna-be&#039;s, almost-was, are-now&#039;s and the entire spectrum gravitate towards. 

Truth is though, New York is no different a market from anywhere else, it just has a higher population.  Go to your biggest local manufacturer, and if you&#039;re lucky they use a local shooter.  Chances are, he&#039;s not as good as you, but he knows the CEO, CFO and a bunch of other people.  He will continue to get the work because he&#039;s mustered time and again, and that is more worthwhile then anything else when money is the bottom line.  

Just to announce it, the brass ring, ladies and gentlemen, is money.  And like all busiensses, it takes money to make money.  And the single most concentrated economy in the country, period end of story, check your last census, is New York City.  

So when I feel that I have elevated my craft, I have made my initial contacts and enlarged my penis, I will move to the big apple and I will do my best to get a bite.  And if that doesn&#039;t work, hell, I&#039;ll print my own money doing senior portraits.

APE- I hope one day we meet, and you&#039;ll smile having read this, and I&#039;ll make a fool of myself hunting for work.  Do you actually meet photographers face to face?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a job for Newsweek for which they needed a local with local connections.  I recognize it&#8217;s a one-off (I&#8217;m not rep&#8217;ed yet) but NYC is the black hole where all the wanna-be&#8217;s, almost-was, are-now&#8217;s and the entire spectrum gravitate towards. </p>
<p>Truth is though, New York is no different a market from anywhere else, it just has a higher population.  Go to your biggest local manufacturer, and if you&#8217;re lucky they use a local shooter.  Chances are, he&#8217;s not as good as you, but he knows the CEO, CFO and a bunch of other people.  He will continue to get the work because he&#8217;s mustered time and again, and that is more worthwhile then anything else when money is the bottom line.  </p>
<p>Just to announce it, the brass ring, ladies and gentlemen, is money.  And like all busiensses, it takes money to make money.  And the single most concentrated economy in the country, period end of story, check your last census, is New York City.  </p>
<p>So when I feel that I have elevated my craft, I have made my initial contacts and enlarged my penis, I will move to the big apple and I will do my best to get a bite.  And if that doesn&#8217;t work, hell, I&#8217;ll print my own money doing senior portraits.</p>
<p>APE- I hope one day we meet, and you&#8217;ll smile having read this, and I&#8217;ll make a fool of myself hunting for work.  Do you actually meet photographers face to face?</p>
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		<title>By: the assistant.</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1297</link>
		<dc:creator>the assistant.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m not sure I get the assistant’s point. The illustrated circumstance sounds like a better decision would have been to hire a local photographer who had a ready crew and locations.&quot;

LA is interchangeable with any city a shoot happens to be.  The point was more about trusting someone to bring it home, knowing it&#039;s a tricky situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not sure I get the assistant’s point. The illustrated circumstance sounds like a better decision would have been to hire a local photographer who had a ready crew and locations.&#8221;</p>
<p>LA is interchangeable with any city a shoot happens to be.  The point was more about trusting someone to bring it home, knowing it&#8217;s a tricky situation.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbslim</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1293</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...someone who photographed an entire book on a subject matter very similar to the reason for our story on this ordinary person. I suppose I could have found this book and photographer if I’d had more time to research the story.&quot;

Conceptually wouldn&#039;t that activity be the what you want/should do to find a great match of photographer to story. But I&#039;m sensing PE and colleagues are to busy parceling out and managing assignments that finding exactly the right photographer has been pushed way down the priority list. Consequently PE and AD&#039;s and other creatives develop sufficient chops (tricks) to keep a lid on everything and keep everyone happy  until someone who hasn&#039;t shortcut this process shows up and blows them out of the water with the next new vision/style.

For better or worse not all work gets treated equally and this case may be one in which APE has deemed it worthy of a quick solution. Lets hope that other assignments get more attention or we all be looking for some cardboard and a corner to stand on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;someone who photographed an entire book on a subject matter very similar to the reason for our story on this ordinary person. I suppose I could have found this book and photographer if I’d had more time to research the story.&#8221;</p>
<p>Conceptually wouldn&#8217;t that activity be the what you want/should do to find a great match of photographer to story. But I&#8217;m sensing PE and colleagues are to busy parceling out and managing assignments that finding exactly the right photographer has been pushed way down the priority list. Consequently PE and AD&#8217;s and other creatives develop sufficient chops (tricks) to keep a lid on everything and keep everyone happy  until someone who hasn&#8217;t shortcut this process shows up and blows them out of the water with the next new vision/style.</p>
<p>For better or worse not all work gets treated equally and this case may be one in which APE has deemed it worthy of a quick solution. Lets hope that other assignments get more attention or we all be looking for some cardboard and a corner to stand on.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Kaye</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jackonary - that was an attempt at humor. Maybe using frequent flier miles wasn&#039;t so outlandish as to convey the levity I was after....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jackonary &#8211; that was an attempt at humor. Maybe using frequent flier miles wasn&#8217;t so outlandish as to convey the levity I was after&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: NoName</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>NoName</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Permits in LA take time..a couple days for street, even more for parks. If you know the right people, this can be expedited, but finding out about a Monday AM shoot on Friday afternoon doesn&#039;t give anyone enough time to permit, local or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Permits in LA take time..a couple days for street, even more for parks. If you know the right people, this can be expedited, but finding out about a Monday AM shoot on Friday afternoon doesn&#8217;t give anyone enough time to permit, local or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce DeBoer</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce DeBoer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I get the assistant&#039;s point.  The illustrated circumstance sounds like a better decision would have been to hire a local photographer who had a ready crew and locations. 

Just for the record - the NYC snobbery doesn&#039;t bother me a bit.  I grew up in Long Island and worked in NYC for a short period.  I get it.  We all have decisions to make about our desired lifestyle, but I also think us &quot;outsiders&quot; need to push you guys to examine your shortcomings: &quot;hey, want to do a shot on the beach&quot; - come on down, I know people, places and a good time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I get the assistant&#8217;s point.  The illustrated circumstance sounds like a better decision would have been to hire a local photographer who had a ready crew and locations. </p>
<p>Just for the record &#8211; the NYC snobbery doesn&#8217;t bother me a bit.  I grew up in Long Island and worked in NYC for a short period.  I get it.  We all have decisions to make about our desired lifestyle, but I also think us &#8220;outsiders&#8221; need to push you guys to examine your shortcomings: &#8220;hey, want to do a shot on the beach&#8221; &#8211; come on down, I know people, places and a good time.</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1281</link>
		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The subject that started this post is not a celebrity. The first photographer I found that I liked for this didn&#039;t live in NY or LA but was booked. Luckily their Agent has a good stable of people and had someone who photographed an entire book on a subject matter very similar to the reason for our story on this ordinary person. I suppose I could have found this book and photographer if I&#039;d had more time to research the story.

It turns out the subject started to get cold feet about hanging out with a photographer. They wanted the photographer to take a picture and get out which in my opinion would result in crap photos. All I had to do is send a link of the photographers work to the subject and after he saw that they truly understood what was going on with this person he agreed to hang out with the photographer.

Oh yeah, photographer lives in NYC but thats not why I picked him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The subject that started this post is not a celebrity. The first photographer I found that I liked for this didn&#8217;t live in NY or LA but was booked. Luckily their Agent has a good stable of people and had someone who photographed an entire book on a subject matter very similar to the reason for our story on this ordinary person. I suppose I could have found this book and photographer if I&#8217;d had more time to research the story.</p>
<p>It turns out the subject started to get cold feet about hanging out with a photographer. They wanted the photographer to take a picture and get out which in my opinion would result in crap photos. All I had to do is send a link of the photographers work to the subject and after he saw that they truly understood what was going on with this person he agreed to hang out with the photographer.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, photographer lives in NYC but thats not why I picked him.</p>
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		<title>By: A non-celeb shooter</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1280</link>
		<dc:creator>A non-celeb shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now comes the interesting part.  Is all &quot;editorial&quot; celebrity or &quot;fashion&quot; stories?  Is it always a stepping stone to an ad campaign?

If you look at this discussion, the terms &quot;editorial photographer&quot; and &quot;celebrity photographer or fashion photographer&quot; are interchangeable.

I&#039;m glad I know how to shoot a real person and make them interesting or even more, to tell the truth of the situation.  Or, god forbid, shoot a landscape without a crew of people to back me up.

Seriously, has editorial become all about the production and celebrity?  Do stories not count at all any more, or are they just fodder to sell more celebrity pics or advertising?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now comes the interesting part.  Is all &#8220;editorial&#8221; celebrity or &#8220;fashion&#8221; stories?  Is it always a stepping stone to an ad campaign?</p>
<p>If you look at this discussion, the terms &#8220;editorial photographer&#8221; and &#8220;celebrity photographer or fashion photographer&#8221; are interchangeable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I know how to shoot a real person and make them interesting or even more, to tell the truth of the situation.  Or, god forbid, shoot a landscape without a crew of people to back me up.</p>
<p>Seriously, has editorial become all about the production and celebrity?  Do stories not count at all any more, or are they just fodder to sell more celebrity pics or advertising?</p>
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		<title>By: Blockbuster Manager</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1279</link>
		<dc:creator>Blockbuster Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and Gentlemen, this blog is now getting quite interesting. Listen to the words of &quot;the assistant&quot;; he/she speaks the truth. and from real-world experience. I know it sounds nutty to fly a crew from NYC to LA, when there are plenty of competent celebrity guys who could pull this off, but trust me, &quot;the assistant&quot; does not speak with forked tongue. 

Now we&#039;re getting into the meat of this discussion. It&#039;s about hiring a crew that&#039;ll certainly bring home the bacon. And it&#039;s about hiring a crew that shows up in my Blockbuster lot carrying green hundreds. Now we&#039;re talkin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and Gentlemen, this blog is now getting quite interesting. Listen to the words of &#8220;the assistant&#8221;; he/she speaks the truth. and from real-world experience. I know it sounds nutty to fly a crew from NYC to LA, when there are plenty of competent celebrity guys who could pull this off, but trust me, &#8220;the assistant&#8221; does not speak with forked tongue. </p>
<p>Now we&#8217;re getting into the meat of this discussion. It&#8217;s about hiring a crew that&#8217;ll certainly bring home the bacon. And it&#8217;s about hiring a crew that shows up in my Blockbuster lot carrying green hundreds. Now we&#8217;re talkin.</p>
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		<title>By: the assistant.</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>the assistant.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i first assist an editorial/celebrity photographer based in NYC, though we travel almost non-stop.  we talk about/read the blog from all over the country and it&#039;s such a great forum for discussion.  though at times it seems the same questions/disquietudes arise no matter what the topic: nyc/la vs. smaller markets.  i&#039;ll save my assistant up and coming photographer moves to nyc speech for another time, but i thought i would share a story...

it&#039;s friday afternoon and we get a call to shoot in LA. nothing is confirmed until saturday. need to produce a shoot for monday from an airport.  find assistants, gear, hair and make up, locations have to be approved by the publicist before the shoot.  oh yeah you get about 30 minutes with the subject.  and the story is a pretty big deal.

fly to LA on a Sunday, scout locations with no time to get a permit, and it has to be near the subjects hotel, sweet talk the lady manager at blockbuster the morning of so you can park your RV in their parking lot, get kicked out of your first location before you start shooting, move to the backup spot and finally the shoot gets rolling.  the police show up to cite us just as we wrap and the subject leaves.

from the PE&#039;s point of view, it&#039;s good to know you flew someone there from NYC who you trust to handle the situation.  the photos turned out amazing, everyone was very happy. often times its not what amazing image you can create out of nothing, but rather what you can make out of the circumstances.  that experience, which i&#039;ve been a part of first hand over and over, confirms my decision to move to NYC as the right one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i first assist an editorial/celebrity photographer based in NYC, though we travel almost non-stop.  we talk about/read the blog from all over the country and it&#8217;s such a great forum for discussion.  though at times it seems the same questions/disquietudes arise no matter what the topic: nyc/la vs. smaller markets.  i&#8217;ll save my assistant up and coming photographer moves to nyc speech for another time, but i thought i would share a story&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s friday afternoon and we get a call to shoot in LA. nothing is confirmed until saturday. need to produce a shoot for monday from an airport.  find assistants, gear, hair and make up, locations have to be approved by the publicist before the shoot.  oh yeah you get about 30 minutes with the subject.  and the story is a pretty big deal.</p>
<p>fly to LA on a Sunday, scout locations with no time to get a permit, and it has to be near the subjects hotel, sweet talk the lady manager at blockbuster the morning of so you can park your RV in their parking lot, get kicked out of your first location before you start shooting, move to the backup spot and finally the shoot gets rolling.  the police show up to cite us just as we wrap and the subject leaves.</p>
<p>from the PE&#8217;s point of view, it&#8217;s good to know you flew someone there from NYC who you trust to handle the situation.  the photos turned out amazing, everyone was very happy. often times its not what amazing image you can create out of nothing, but rather what you can make out of the circumstances.  that experience, which i&#8217;ve been a part of first hand over and over, confirms my decision to move to NYC as the right one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Atsuna</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>Atsuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can I add you as a friend?</description>
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		<title>By: Olivier Laude</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivier Laude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby- I am to presume that your are talentless, just like the rest of us? Right? You are correct, I read this blog because I am talentless. You got me and the rest of us there, dammit...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby- I am to presume that your are talentless, just like the rest of us? Right? You are correct, I read this blog because I am talentless. You got me and the rest of us there, dammit&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/11/05/crapshoot/comment-page-2/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator>bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s face it. anyone who has talent doesn&#039;t read this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s face it. anyone who has talent doesn&#8217;t read this blog.</p>
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