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		<title>By: Gypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the question who needs an assistant on the Island of Oahu ~Im kind smart &amp; talented ~you need me ~ trust me I know these things lol</description>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i second #28</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree and disagree with the original post.  While I feel that #6 is one of the stupidest pieces of advice I have ever read, I also feel that #11 can be equally stupid!!!  Funny how nobody else commented on that.  Point is, WHY hire an assistant if you do not want that assistants help?  I have worked on huge shoots where I was like, the 5th assistant.  OK, I can semi-understand under those circumstances (where you should tell the 1st and not the photog).  Or if it is one of your first times working with a shooter. But seriously, besides every other duty, a good assistant is a second set of eyes and this can be crucial.  There have been many times where I have seen something blatant that the photographer or art director did not see, and I have pointed it out (discreetly to the photographer) and saved the day.  Other times I have (again, discreetly) pointed out an idea or two that contributed greatly to the shot and these ideas were very much welcomed and appreciated.  That is part of being a PRO assistant!  You should find out what the shot is, and you should already have an idea of how to light/shoot it without the photographers instructions and start setting up the shot before you are told.  Always anticipate.  If a photographer has a problem with either this, or discreet suggestions, then they are an insecure asshole and you do not want to work for them regardless.  I recently worked for someone like this...  My &quot;suggestions&quot; were scoffed, scolded, and then implemented 30 minutes later after several pointless &quot;tests&quot;.  All that was accomplished was wasting time and annoying the client.  Again, insecurity and ego.
#16 - No, do NOT turn off your cell phone!!!! Put it on vibrate... Trip said it best with this line:  &quot;A job runs the risk of disappearing between now and lunch.&quot;  Boy is that the truth!!!  I have lost big jobs because I called back even 30 minutes later and they simply moved on to the next person on the list.  Yes, be respectful and find the right time but you are not a slave and you do not make enough to ignore your next job.  Come to think of it, everything Trip said in post #27 is just as good of advice as the original post.

Everything else I agree with for the most part.  Never-less, photographers need to remember one thing;  at the end of the day it is just a f#@&amp;ing picture!  Yes, there are budgets, sometimes HUGE budgets, or tight time frames.  And the pressure/stress that goes with it.    Maybe I am getting burnt out on the superficiality of the industry but I think many photographers have huge egos and take themselves WAY too seriously.  The only people who should take there jobs this seriously are those who have there own or others lives on the line (military, emt&#039;s, police, etc).   Funny though that many of those people do not stress themselves out so much and are cool under pressure.  Yet, here we have photographers and there clients stressing themselves out over a photo that 99% of the intended viewers glance over without a second thought or even a care!  What percentage of advertising photography is thrown away without a second thought or glance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and disagree with the original post.  While I feel that #6 is one of the stupidest pieces of advice I have ever read, I also feel that #11 can be equally stupid!!!  Funny how nobody else commented on that.  Point is, WHY hire an assistant if you do not want that assistants help?  I have worked on huge shoots where I was like, the 5th assistant.  OK, I can semi-understand under those circumstances (where you should tell the 1st and not the photog).  Or if it is one of your first times working with a shooter. But seriously, besides every other duty, a good assistant is a second set of eyes and this can be crucial.  There have been many times where I have seen something blatant that the photographer or art director did not see, and I have pointed it out (discreetly to the photographer) and saved the day.  Other times I have (again, discreetly) pointed out an idea or two that contributed greatly to the shot and these ideas were very much welcomed and appreciated.  That is part of being a PRO assistant!  You should find out what the shot is, and you should already have an idea of how to light/shoot it without the photographers instructions and start setting up the shot before you are told.  Always anticipate.  If a photographer has a problem with either this, or discreet suggestions, then they are an insecure asshole and you do not want to work for them regardless.  I recently worked for someone like this&#8230;  My &#8220;suggestions&#8221; were scoffed, scolded, and then implemented 30 minutes later after several pointless &#8220;tests&#8221;.  All that was accomplished was wasting time and annoying the client.  Again, insecurity and ego.<br />
#16 &#8211; No, do NOT turn off your cell phone!!!! Put it on vibrate&#8230; Trip said it best with this line:  &#8220;A job runs the risk of disappearing between now and lunch.&#8221;  Boy is that the truth!!!  I have lost big jobs because I called back even 30 minutes later and they simply moved on to the next person on the list.  Yes, be respectful and find the right time but you are not a slave and you do not make enough to ignore your next job.  Come to think of it, everything Trip said in post #27 is just as good of advice as the original post.</p>
<p>Everything else I agree with for the most part.  Never-less, photographers need to remember one thing;  at the end of the day it is just a f#@&amp;ing picture!  Yes, there are budgets, sometimes HUGE budgets, or tight time frames.  And the pressure/stress that goes with it.    Maybe I am getting burnt out on the superficiality of the industry but I think many photographers have huge egos and take themselves WAY too seriously.  The only people who should take there jobs this seriously are those who have there own or others lives on the line (military, emt&#8217;s, police, etc).   Funny though that many of those people do not stress themselves out so much and are cool under pressure.  Yet, here we have photographers and there clients stressing themselves out over a photo that 99% of the intended viewers glance over without a second thought or even a care!  What percentage of advertising photography is thrown away without a second thought or glance?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Beauvais</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Beauvais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a nice microcosm of the photo world.  you have some people who get and some who don&#039;t.   all in all i agree with everyone on most everything they wrote.  oh btw, i am old enough to know what it is like to load film into the hasselblad back with one hand while dropping the 2nd, 4th and 5th strobes one click after the 3rd pop to hit the f45.  anyway, i am going to try to place my stamp on this conversation.  
Be polite, 
attentive 
energetic
quiet
attentive
sponge-like
anticipatory
attentive
don&#039;t be an ass
a energy sucker
a door mat.
this job can be very rewarding and a hell of a lot of fun, but like most things you need to learn and trust me you don&#039;t know everything on your first gig and sometimes you still don&#039;t know everything when your old like me.
know your limitations but don&#039;t be limited by them, accept being uncomfortable but don&#039;t let yourself be taken advantage of, your still a human and if you don&#039;t want to work for some asshole then tell them your booked.
Good Luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a nice microcosm of the photo world.  you have some people who get and some who don&#8217;t.   all in all i agree with everyone on most everything they wrote.  oh btw, i am old enough to know what it is like to load film into the hasselblad back with one hand while dropping the 2nd, 4th and 5th strobes one click after the 3rd pop to hit the f45.  anyway, i am going to try to place my stamp on this conversation.<br />
Be polite,<br />
attentive<br />
energetic<br />
quiet<br />
attentive<br />
sponge-like<br />
anticipatory<br />
attentive<br />
don&#8217;t be an ass<br />
a energy sucker<br />
a door mat.<br />
this job can be very rewarding and a hell of a lot of fun, but like most things you need to learn and trust me you don&#8217;t know everything on your first gig and sometimes you still don&#8217;t know everything when your old like me.<br />
know your limitations but don&#8217;t be limited by them, accept being uncomfortable but don&#8217;t let yourself be taken advantage of, your still a human and if you don&#8217;t want to work for some asshole then tell them your booked.<br />
Good Luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ATL Shooter, Follow that email up with a telephone call.
Most of us like a day off from the Mac/Viewfinder every now and then, and your email can also end up in our Spam box - nag, nag, nag until you get a response (good or bad) from the guy you want to work for.
And do not, EVER, assist for free.
An assistant who is willing to work for free isn&#039;t worth employing.
A photographer who won&#039;t pay you isn&#039;t worth working for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ATL Shooter, Follow that email up with a telephone call.<br />
Most of us like a day off from the Mac/Viewfinder every now and then, and your email can also end up in our Spam box &#8211; nag, nag, nag until you get a response (good or bad) from the guy you want to work for.<br />
And do not, EVER, assist for free.<br />
An assistant who is willing to work for free isn&#8217;t worth employing.<br />
A photographer who won&#8217;t pay you isn&#8217;t worth working for.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; A Photo Editor - Advice From A Photographer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alexis Evanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis Evanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew, 
When I lived in Los Angeles I found it extremely easy to get the contacts I needed in the music business etc by going to venues on Sunset and hanging out with bands, shooting bands (any lame excuse to do it will do, the point is to schmooze with them), going to parties, events, shows, whatever to get them to introduce me to who I needed to know (a lot of local band members were related to big names in Hollywood, some actually were big names in Hollywood)... In my case though, once I got where I needed to be, I wasn&#039;t too thrilled with the working environment so now I&#039;ve got to figure out a new specialty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew,<br />
When I lived in Los Angeles I found it extremely easy to get the contacts I needed in the music business etc by going to venues on Sunset and hanging out with bands, shooting bands (any lame excuse to do it will do, the point is to schmooze with them), going to parties, events, shows, whatever to get them to introduce me to who I needed to know (a lot of local band members were related to big names in Hollywood, some actually were big names in Hollywood)&#8230; In my case though, once I got where I needed to be, I wasn&#8217;t too thrilled with the working environment so now I&#8217;ve got to figure out a new specialty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey i would just like to say that your website is awesome it has helped me and my children both so thank you for having this website!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey i would just like to say that your website is awesome it has helped me and my children both so thank you for having this website!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: kombizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kombizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never assume unless you are sure about the outcome of your working project.</description>
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		<title>By: asapolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>asapolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good information.</description>
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		<title>By: From A Photo Editor Blog - Advice From A Photographer &#124; Richard Louissaint Photography: The Journal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Insuranceboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to # 6 , when working be focused on the photographers needs when on the job. I think on your time take as many shots as possible document your job at the moment take images of people working around you ,but only on your time and be prepared to go back to assisting . all this with the photographers approval. have a great day of being a sponge then go take an image of it .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to # 6 , when working be focused on the photographers needs when on the job. I think on your time take as many shots as possible document your job at the moment take images of people working around you ,but only on your time and be prepared to go back to assisting . all this with the photographers approval. have a great day of being a sponge then go take an image of it .</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-28</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drewd &#8211; Photography Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewd &#8211; Photography Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] older, professional photographer shares his advice to young, aspiring photographers. Most of the lessons here fall better into the categories of business sense and career wisdom than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well hello there, chaps and chapettes.  Some nice info and discourse here.  I know this has been a long dead discussion, but I found it on Google and wanted to ask.

I have a question...  I&#039;ve been shooting for a few years, I&#039;ve done a little bit of work experience here and there (recently enquired at Rankin&#039;s studio about work experience) but most of my own work as been commissioned by record labels (smaller than Sony, Warner, Umusic etc, but big in their niche); I&#039;ve done a number of highish profile shoots; album covers, single record covers, magazine editorial etc etc.  But when I approach the big labels, the big magazines, the big agencies etc.  They&#039;re all kinda like &quot;Really nice work, but your it&#039;s not right for us as the moment, stay in touch&quot;...  Now, I&#039;m a filmmaker as well as photographer and have had many script rejections, I know the above statement is pretty much &quot;not good enough; shoot more, get better and come back to us later&quot;.

Anyway, my real question is, as I&#039;ve been working for a while now (but most of the time for next to no money, except for the big projects) and built up an awful lot of shooting experience is there any way I can avoid assisting, in order to make the next step up the ladder?  Most people I&#039;ve spoken to, in the big companies have said &quot;assisting would be a step back for you&quot;...  I&#039;d really like to believe this, but, how else do I make the high profile contacts I need to, in order to progress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well hello there, chaps and chapettes.  Some nice info and discourse here.  I know this has been a long dead discussion, but I found it on Google and wanted to ask.</p>
<p>I have a question&#8230;  I&#8217;ve been shooting for a few years, I&#8217;ve done a little bit of work experience here and there (recently enquired at Rankin&#8217;s studio about work experience) but most of my own work as been commissioned by record labels (smaller than Sony, Warner, Umusic etc, but big in their niche); I&#8217;ve done a number of highish profile shoots; album covers, single record covers, magazine editorial etc etc.  But when I approach the big labels, the big magazines, the big agencies etc.  They&#8217;re all kinda like &#8220;Really nice work, but your it&#8217;s not right for us as the moment, stay in touch&#8221;&#8230;  Now, I&#8217;m a filmmaker as well as photographer and have had many script rejections, I know the above statement is pretty much &#8220;not good enough; shoot more, get better and come back to us later&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyway, my real question is, as I&#8217;ve been working for a while now (but most of the time for next to no money, except for the big projects) and built up an awful lot of shooting experience is there any way I can avoid assisting, in order to make the next step up the ladder?  Most people I&#8217;ve spoken to, in the big companies have said &#8220;assisting would be a step back for you&#8221;&#8230;  I&#8217;d really like to believe this, but, how else do I make the high profile contacts I need to, in order to progress?</p>
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		<title>By: warpedvisions.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Advice from a photographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>warpedvisions.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Advice from a photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 21st, 2007 in Links Some advice from an older photographer to the young&#8217;uns. The advice is oddly applicable to software developers. Mostly, learn at every possible [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Whatsup &#124; Be like Mailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatsup &#124; Be like Mailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Advice from a photographer features a bunch of great tips for any creative pro. One that stood out… 24. Go to the Times today, and read the Norman Mailer Obit. Try to create your life to be half as interesting as his life. If you do that, you’ll be fine. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: browserFruits f&#252;r den 27.12.07 &#124; KWERFELDEIN - Martin Gommel</title>
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		<dc:creator>browserFruits f&#252;r den 27.12.07 &#124; KWERFELDEIN - Martin Gommel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Advice From A Photographer - Harte aber realistische Kost f&#252;r Tagtr&#228;umer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neatorama&#8217;s photo history post &#171; Gregory Scheckler Artworks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neatorama&#8217;s photo history post &#171; Gregory Scheckler Artworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And another hilarious post, giving advice to young photographers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adel Anwar &#187; Advice from a Photographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adel Anwar &#187; Advice from a Photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Advice from a Photographer for college students. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And I forgot the worst one, #27: Don’t approach the client to “show him your work sometime”. It’s the cardinal rule. If you’re there on the job as an assistant, then be in the assistant role. Every client will ask you if you shoot, because they don’t know what else to talk to you about at lunch, but trust me, they really don’t care. They might care a little bit, but they don’t want to see your book. The right way to do it is — Stop Assisting, then become a photographer. Don’t approach a client when you’re on somebody else’s job.&quot;

Seriously... this just happened to me yesterday. You can market yourself on your own time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I forgot the worst one, #27: Don’t approach the client to “show him your work sometime”. It’s the cardinal rule. If you’re there on the job as an assistant, then be in the assistant role. Every client will ask you if you shoot, because they don’t know what else to talk to you about at lunch, but trust me, they really don’t care. They might care a little bit, but they don’t want to see your book. The right way to do it is — Stop Assisting, then become a photographer. Don’t approach a client when you’re on somebody else’s job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously&#8230; this just happened to me yesterday. You can market yourself on your own time.</p>
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		<title>By: philippe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is about becoming a photographer, then I&#039;m quite happy being a teacher...

If this is about being a slave (aka assistant) I suppose that makes sense. You&#039;ll be lucky if you work for a talented guy, who treats other human beings with respect. This world is so full of jerks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is about becoming a photographer, then I&#8217;m quite happy being a teacher&#8230;</p>
<p>If this is about being a slave (aka assistant) I suppose that makes sense. You&#8217;ll be lucky if you work for a talented guy, who treats other human beings with respect. This world is so full of jerks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ATL Shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATL Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say write them a well constructed e-mail telling them who you are, your experience, and your rate.  Show them you are enthusiastic, CONFIDENT, and willing to work hard.  SPELL CHECK your e-mail to death.  It does NOT look good to misspell your photographer&#039;s name.  

Great list up there.  I just started assisting and am printing it as I type</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say write them a well constructed e-mail telling them who you are, your experience, and your rate.  Show them you are enthusiastic, CONFIDENT, and willing to work hard.  SPELL CHECK your e-mail to death.  It does NOT look good to misspell your photographer&#8217;s name.  </p>
<p>Great list up there.  I just started assisting and am printing it as I type</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So AGAIN...Whats the best way to approach someone semi-decent for an assistant job?

Whats the symbiotic pecking order?

Just show up at the guys door?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So AGAIN&#8230;Whats the best way to approach someone semi-decent for an assistant job?</p>
<p>Whats the symbiotic pecking order?</p>
<p>Just show up at the guys door?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer Talks &#124; The Decisive Moment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Geezer Talks &#124; The Decisive Moment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a &#8216;pro&#8217; photographer then go read this equal parts hilarious as well as sober piece here. From taking the right courses in college to dropping acid (yes, I&#8217;m not joking)  to being a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stikman</title>
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		<dc:creator>stikman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, how does one become a &#039;pro&#039; assistant? Is it some sort of fucked up syndrome to want to &#039;assist&#039; in creating great images rather than be the man behind the lens.
I want this to be my next career, call me crazy...I am a lover not a fighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, how does one become a &#8216;pro&#8217; assistant? Is it some sort of fucked up syndrome to want to &#8216;assist&#8217; in creating great images rather than be the man behind the lens.<br />
I want this to be my next career, call me crazy&#8230;I am a lover not a fighter.</p>
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		<title>By: Trip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I get it. Not all photographers are assholes. If it doesn&#039;t apply to you, get over it. Trust me, there are very few photographers as generous as you to pay overtime when it can&#039;t be billed back. I didn&#039;t get into this business yesterday so you don&#039;t need to make excuses for someone else.

I have had the luxury to assist friends and generally cool people. In fact, I rarely assist anymore. When I first started I didn&#039;t have that luxury and had to work for whatever jerk that called. I&#039;ve worked for a full range of personalities. If I ever overextended myself for a photographer it was out of respect for them and my own personal work ethic. In any case, the expectations go both ways.

There&#039;s a lot of things in this business that are fucked up, from top to bottom. Photographers have to bill for their shoelaces just to try and turn a profit. We do it because we want to take pictures and believe there&#039;s a way to make a living doing it. Assistants included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I get it. Not all photographers are assholes. If it doesn&#8217;t apply to you, get over it. Trust me, there are very few photographers as generous as you to pay overtime when it can&#8217;t be billed back. I didn&#8217;t get into this business yesterday so you don&#8217;t need to make excuses for someone else.</p>
<p>I have had the luxury to assist friends and generally cool people. In fact, I rarely assist anymore. When I first started I didn&#8217;t have that luxury and had to work for whatever jerk that called. I&#8217;ve worked for a full range of personalities. If I ever overextended myself for a photographer it was out of respect for them and my own personal work ethic. In any case, the expectations go both ways.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of things in this business that are fucked up, from top to bottom. Photographers have to bill for their shoelaces just to try and turn a profit. We do it because we want to take pictures and believe there&#8217;s a way to make a living doing it. Assistants included.</p>
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		<title>By: Not a youngster but not a GEEZER</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not a youngster but not a GEEZER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trip Says: 
November 12th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Wow. I’m glad there’s finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be.....


I buy my assistants breakfast every day.  Another shooter on this forum buys lunch everyday.  I pay overtime even if I don&#039;t bill it.  I treat my assistants fairly and yes, there are long days involved.  Get over it,,it is the reality of the business.  Don&#039;t blame the photographer for the last flight out....most likely the client and budget were tight with no bucks for hotels.  Yes, it gets that tight sometime.

I don&#039;t know a single photographer who treats his crew badly.  I know of one who yells.  He has a rep and that is just the way he is.  What assistants are not understanding is how much pressure there is on the shooter - from financial to production to crew to final product.  If you don&#039;t appreciate it now, you will when you get out on your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trip Says:<br />
November 12th, 2007 at 12:04 pm<br />
Wow. I’m glad there’s finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be&#8230;..</p>
<p>I buy my assistants breakfast every day.  Another shooter on this forum buys lunch everyday.  I pay overtime even if I don&#8217;t bill it.  I treat my assistants fairly and yes, there are long days involved.  Get over it,,it is the reality of the business.  Don&#8217;t blame the photographer for the last flight out&#8230;.most likely the client and budget were tight with no bucks for hotels.  Yes, it gets that tight sometime.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know a single photographer who treats his crew badly.  I know of one who yells.  He has a rep and that is just the way he is.  What assistants are not understanding is how much pressure there is on the shooter &#8211; from financial to production to crew to final product.  If you don&#8217;t appreciate it now, you will when you get out on your own.</p>
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		<title>By: newspaper geezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>newspaper geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here in the low-rent editorial side - our equivalent of assistants are interns: and I would agree with the list- but maybe a clarification on point # 6.
I would say, shoot shoot shoot, all the time as often as you can- but not on my time. Leave your gear in the bag unless someone tells you different.  If you&#039;re running cards or hanging lights I wud apcc you&#039;re focused on my needs and that does mean no pix, including your iPhone IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here in the low-rent editorial side &#8211; our equivalent of assistants are interns: and I would agree with the list- but maybe a clarification on point # 6.<br />
I would say, shoot shoot shoot, all the time as often as you can- but not on my time. Leave your gear in the bag unless someone tells you different.  If you&#8217;re running cards or hanging lights I wud apcc you&#8217;re focused on my needs and that does mean no pix, including your iPhone IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Trip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;m glad there&#039;s finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be.

That&#039;s right. You heard it here kids. Be a sponge. Soak it up because the next thing you know there&#039;s some photographer that&#039;s going to wring you out and leave you dry.

Let&#039;s start the list. How should photographers be to their assistants? I&#039;m only going to list 5 because I&#039;m worn out from working for other people, not to mention that Bitter Photographer will make me feel a lot better than old geezer forbidding me to use my cell phone whilst I bend over for him.

1. Pay on time. Go into your own pocket if you have to. Why should an assistant wait for the client to pay? The client doesn&#039;t hire the assistant.

2. Don&#039;t be stingy about overtime. Don&#039;t ask the assistant to come down on his overtime after the fact. Instruct your producer to do the same. It&#039;s the only way assistants make any fucking money.

3. Let your loyal assistant use your gear. Pretend it doesn&#039;t bother you. Don&#039;t ask for anything in return for its use. This is for the time they woke up at 4 am to fly somewhere, help you shoot some piece of shit portrait, and not get home until midnight because you booked the last flight out just in case. They didn&#039;t get any extra money because it was editorial and had to eat fast food twice in one day.

4. Be a mentor. That means do not be competitive with your assistant. When they are trying to &quot;leave the nest&quot;, set up a meeting for them with a photo editor that you know or have your agent do it. Pay it forward. Your assistant is never going to &quot;take you down&quot;. If you don&#039;t want to do that because their work is horrible, tell them, steer them in the right direction. Don&#039;t let their worst nightmare come true. (That nightmare by the way is working for you long term.)

5. Be cognizant of the fact your ego is a little fragile. Any good assistant will coddle it up to a certain point. They&#039;ll say the work looks good even though its totally retarded. So in return, try to keep your lists to under 10 items instead of 26. Don&#039;t expect servitude. If your assistant has to make a phone call during the shoot, he&#039;ll do it at a responsible time. By the way, the assistant is running a business too. A job runs the risk of disappearing between now and lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m glad there&#8217;s finally a forum for photographers to gripe and bitch about how assistants should be.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right. You heard it here kids. Be a sponge. Soak it up because the next thing you know there&#8217;s some photographer that&#8217;s going to wring you out and leave you dry.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start the list. How should photographers be to their assistants? I&#8217;m only going to list 5 because I&#8217;m worn out from working for other people, not to mention that Bitter Photographer will make me feel a lot better than old geezer forbidding me to use my cell phone whilst I bend over for him.</p>
<p>1. Pay on time. Go into your own pocket if you have to. Why should an assistant wait for the client to pay? The client doesn&#8217;t hire the assistant.</p>
<p>2. Don&#8217;t be stingy about overtime. Don&#8217;t ask the assistant to come down on his overtime after the fact. Instruct your producer to do the same. It&#8217;s the only way assistants make any fucking money.</p>
<p>3. Let your loyal assistant use your gear. Pretend it doesn&#8217;t bother you. Don&#8217;t ask for anything in return for its use. This is for the time they woke up at 4 am to fly somewhere, help you shoot some piece of shit portrait, and not get home until midnight because you booked the last flight out just in case. They didn&#8217;t get any extra money because it was editorial and had to eat fast food twice in one day.</p>
<p>4. Be a mentor. That means do not be competitive with your assistant. When they are trying to &#8220;leave the nest&#8221;, set up a meeting for them with a photo editor that you know or have your agent do it. Pay it forward. Your assistant is never going to &#8220;take you down&#8221;. If you don&#8217;t want to do that because their work is horrible, tell them, steer them in the right direction. Don&#8217;t let their worst nightmare come true. (That nightmare by the way is working for you long term.)</p>
<p>5. Be cognizant of the fact your ego is a little fragile. Any good assistant will coddle it up to a certain point. They&#8217;ll say the work looks good even though its totally retarded. So in return, try to keep your lists to under 10 items instead of 26. Don&#8217;t expect servitude. If your assistant has to make a phone call during the shoot, he&#8217;ll do it at a responsible time. By the way, the assistant is running a business too. A job runs the risk of disappearing between now and lunch.</p>
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