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		<description>I absolutely agree with you on this post, APE.  I sincerely believe that some of the editors I work with are visually dyslexic and feel that because they are editors they should have the final word, thus totally disregarding the input you have as regards the images that should work for the piece.  Don&#039;t get me on my rant box today!!</description>
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		<description>What I find fascinating sometimes is editing the take with another person, or even worse, being on set, looking at CaptureOne thumbnails, with every image that I&#039;ve shot, and the AD is standing there, and sometimes even the client, and I&#039;m Command-T&#039;ing my choices, but they&#039;re pointing to other frames in the same setup, but with RADICALLY different facial expressions, or body positions. 

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<p>Sometimes, it just blows me away, &#8220;You think THAT is a good frame?&#8221;, I say to myself, under my breath of course. The range of choices amongst three educated people, standing in the exact same room, can just astound me sometimes. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not as if I always think I&#8217;m right. Most of the time, it just amazes me that there&#8217;s such a range in what three people think is the best frame. I just wonder, where does it come from, in each person, to make up the sum total of some kind of knowledge bank that you&#8217;d use to choose/edit a photo session?</p>
<p>Sometimes, someone else, (never me) will choose a frame where the subject looks either not human, not breathing, not alive, or like a deer in headlights, but what they&#8217;re choosing from is criteria like &#8220;I like their hair in that frame&#8221;, but that&#8217;s all they can see &#8212; the hair. They see nothing in the frame. Or the frame where the person looks dead, but the AD likes it because there are no smile lines in the face, (because there IS no expression).</p>
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		<description>Oh, and one more book - not necessarily the same as the rest, but really inspiring nonetheless:

W. Eugene Smith: Shadow and Substance, the Life and Work of an American Photographer  - by Jim Hughes. I loaned this book to a friend and she kept it for the better part of a decade before returning it (without the dust jacket - Thanks, Amy).</description>
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<p>W. Eugene Smith: Shadow and Substance, the Life and Work of an American Photographer  &#8211; by Jim Hughes. I loaned this book to a friend and she kept it for the better part of a decade before returning it (without the dust jacket &#8211; Thanks, Amy).</p>
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		<title>By: max s. gerber</title>
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		<dc:creator>max s. gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20 suzanne - Yes! Robert Adams &quot;Why People Photograph&quot; - you beat me to the punch. That&#039;s a great one. 

APE: many enlightening and revealing things have surfaced in this forum, but I really appreciate the content of this particular post. I know I&#039;m not alone in having butted heads up against the wall of literalism way too many times. Unfortunately all too often it seems PEs give in, and then of course photographers give in, and it just trickles down &#039;til you look up a few months later at the pictures you&#039;ve been making and say &quot;What the hell am I doing?&quot;

I always assumed part of this came from the idea that editors felt the reader was kind of stupid and had to be hit over the head with an idea that reinforced the story (or some aspect thereof) very literally: &quot;See! It&#039;s a guy wearing a tie in a big oak conference room! He must be Important!&quot;

Then again it&#039;s interesting to see how some photographers consistently slip non-literal and transcendent images through the system. I wonder if anyone ever stops Chris Buck and says &quot;Hey, dude, what the hell was that? Where&#039;s the conference room? What happened to this guy&#039;s tie? What&#039;s with the rubber duckie?&quot; 

[just an example - I don&#039;t know if Chris Buck employs a rubber duckie, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s possible]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20 suzanne &#8211; Yes! Robert Adams &#8220;Why People Photograph&#8221; &#8211; you beat me to the punch. That&#8217;s a great one. </p>
<p>APE: many enlightening and revealing things have surfaced in this forum, but I really appreciate the content of this particular post. I know I&#8217;m not alone in having butted heads up against the wall of literalism way too many times. Unfortunately all too often it seems PEs give in, and then of course photographers give in, and it just trickles down &#8217;til you look up a few months later at the pictures you&#8217;ve been making and say &#8220;What the hell am I doing?&#8221;</p>
<p>I always assumed part of this came from the idea that editors felt the reader was kind of stupid and had to be hit over the head with an idea that reinforced the story (or some aspect thereof) very literally: &#8220;See! It&#8217;s a guy wearing a tie in a big oak conference room! He must be Important!&#8221;</p>
<p>Then again it&#8217;s interesting to see how some photographers consistently slip non-literal and transcendent images through the system. I wonder if anyone ever stops Chris Buck and says &#8220;Hey, dude, what the hell was that? Where&#8217;s the conference room? What happened to this guy&#8217;s tie? What&#8217;s with the rubber duckie?&#8221; </p>
<p>[just an example - I don't know if Chris Buck employs a rubber duckie, but I'm sure it's possible]</p>
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		<title>By: ben roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a couple to add to dude&#039;s list:


&#039;On Being A Photographer&#039; by David Hurn and Bill Jay

&quot;Creating a Sense of Place&#039; by Joel Meyerowitz - it has a great interview in which Meyerowitz talks about how and why he makes photographs..</description>
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<p>&#8216;On Being A Photographer&#8217; by David Hurn and Bill Jay</p>
<p>&#8220;Creating a Sense of Place&#8217; by Joel Meyerowitz &#8211; it has a great interview in which Meyerowitz talks about how and why he makes photographs..</p>
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		<title>By: jing q</title>
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		<dc:creator>jing q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s funny...I always thought Sontag&#039;s On Photography was a pretty easy read
and it tackles the more philosophical questions that we as photographers need to consider before we go out and fill the world with more visual garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s funny&#8230;I always thought Sontag&#8217;s On Photography was a pretty easy read<br />
and it tackles the more philosophical questions that we as photographers need to consider before we go out and fill the world with more visual garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sontags book on photography is a joke.  She was a fine writer and thinker, but that little bit is hot air and blather.  

Maybe it makes sense though.  I think she wrote it after her relationship with Avedon fill apart.  Kind of a jab at him and photography.

Wonder if she ever rethought it later when she had a much more successful relationship with Leibovitz...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sontags book on photography is a joke.  She was a fine writer and thinker, but that little bit is hot air and blather.  </p>
<p>Maybe it makes sense though.  I think she wrote it after her relationship with Avedon fill apart.  Kind of a jab at him and photography.</p>
<p>Wonder if she ever rethought it later when she had a much more successful relationship with Leibovitz&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I big part of the job of photo editor is &quot;advocate&quot; for good photography that moves the story along without a literal translation of the writing. Though I often found writers couldn&#039;t quite grasp just how much work the photographs could do for them. And I found it irritating when a writer would say &quot;I don&#039;t like that picture&quot; without any reason. I didn&#039;t think it was my place to say &quot;I didn&#039;t like their story&quot;. (Very old rant for me... haven&#039;&#039;t photo edited in awhile... so sorry!!)

As for books.. I&#039;ve been reading Robert Adam&#039;s &quot;Why People Photograph&quot;, and trying to get a hold of a copy of &quot;Beauty in Photography&quot;. There&#039;s a rich history and of photography and writing on photography... take advantage. You need all the ammunition you can get to shoot down the  &quot;I don&#039;t likes&quot; of the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I big part of the job of photo editor is &#8220;advocate&#8221; for good photography that moves the story along without a literal translation of the writing. Though I often found writers couldn&#8217;t quite grasp just how much work the photographs could do for them. And I found it irritating when a writer would say &#8220;I don&#8217;t like that picture&#8221; without any reason. I didn&#8217;t think it was my place to say &#8220;I didn&#8217;t like their story&#8221;. (Very old rant for me&#8230; haven&#8221;t photo edited in awhile&#8230; so sorry!!)</p>
<p>As for books.. I&#8217;ve been reading Robert Adam&#8217;s &#8220;Why People Photograph&#8221;, and trying to get a hold of a copy of &#8220;Beauty in Photography&#8221;. There&#8217;s a rich history and of photography and writing on photography&#8230; take advantage. You need all the ammunition you can get to shoot down the  &#8220;I don&#8217;t likes&#8221; of the world!</p>
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		<title>By: scott Rex Ely</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott Rex Ely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the best meals I&#039;ve ever had in my life were with a photographer I used to assist when I lived in NYC . I use food analogies and adjectives all the time and I think the more you think about it the more it really is useful. Sweet, scrumptious, sticky, bland, deep, crispy, chalky, dense, they&#039;re all relative and appropriate to help set the palette... See what I mean?
BTW, when I go to lectures I always try to ask of the photographer speaking, &quot;Where is your favorite place to eat?&quot; Bruce Davidson answered one time I asked, &quot;I don&#039;t know for sure that&#039;s a metaphysical question&quot; and never answered the question. CIAO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the best meals I&#8217;ve ever had in my life were with a photographer I used to assist when I lived in NYC . I use food analogies and adjectives all the time and I think the more you think about it the more it really is useful. Sweet, scrumptious, sticky, bland, deep, crispy, chalky, dense, they&#8217;re all relative and appropriate to help set the palette&#8230; See what I mean?<br />
BTW, when I go to lectures I always try to ask of the photographer speaking, &#8220;Where is your favorite place to eat?&#8221; Bruce Davidson answered one time I asked, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know for sure that&#8217;s a metaphysical question&#8221; and never answered the question. CIAO!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lessing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Lessing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John was the seminal figure in photography criticism. Amen APE, everyone should read him vociferously.</description>
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		<title>By: Tyler Mallory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>APE: 
Thanks for the post, which reminded me of the day I saw Irving Penn&#039;s work for the first time. My mother is an artist and made it a point to force feed me gallery visits whenever possible (not that often in rural Georgia). I was a sarcastic kid and usually made idiotic comments about the work to rile my mother. Then I saw Penn&#039;s work at one of the galleries, and it was the moment I realized that some of what I was seeing was truly worthwhile and I&#039;d better learn to articulate what I was responding to. 
My mother noticed it and still gets a smile remembering that day. 
Speaking about photography will always be a bit elusive, as we are forced to use one language to talk about another. 

And I second the Ansel Adams books. Gifted photographer and writer. I reread his trilogy of &quot;The Camera&quot;, &quot;The Negative&quot;, and &quot;The Print&quot;. They are surprisingly relevant even in this age of digital imaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>APE:<br />
Thanks for the post, which reminded me of the day I saw Irving Penn&#8217;s work for the first time. My mother is an artist and made it a point to force feed me gallery visits whenever possible (not that often in rural Georgia). I was a sarcastic kid and usually made idiotic comments about the work to rile my mother. Then I saw Penn&#8217;s work at one of the galleries, and it was the moment I realized that some of what I was seeing was truly worthwhile and I&#8217;d better learn to articulate what I was responding to.<br />
My mother noticed it and still gets a smile remembering that day.<br />
Speaking about photography will always be a bit elusive, as we are forced to use one language to talk about another. </p>
<p>And I second the Ansel Adams books. Gifted photographer and writer. I reread his trilogy of &#8220;The Camera&#8221;, &#8220;The Negative&#8221;, and &#8220;The Print&#8221;. They are surprisingly relevant even in this age of digital imaging.</p>
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		<title>By: wrobertangell</title>
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		<dc:creator>wrobertangell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post, just recently I submitted, along w/ 250 others to an online show of work for the David Alan Harvey bloggers w/ the additional incentive of a monetary stipend. So DAH was running a little behind because the edit was enormous. He posted up about the editing process, but he mentioned that because many submissions had no metadata or accompaning text it was tough to read the  visual stories. this flies in the contrast to your approach where you base the edit of the shoot on the strength and depiction of the images, before reading the stories text. 
I like your approach, but can see it being ruthless. I am down for ruthless, or just honest feedback.
I will return to DAH with what I gleaned here. see what he makes from this approach.
I suppose though, one thing, his bloggers maynot be all busy professionals but a hi % being hobbiest, in that respect one may have to take on a different approach?
found you thru my unconscious habitual visits to the greatly missed Alec Soth blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, just recently I submitted, along w/ 250 others to an online show of work for the David Alan Harvey bloggers w/ the additional incentive of a monetary stipend. So DAH was running a little behind because the edit was enormous. He posted up about the editing process, but he mentioned that because many submissions had no metadata or accompaning text it was tough to read the  visual stories. this flies in the contrast to your approach where you base the edit of the shoot on the strength and depiction of the images, before reading the stories text.<br />
I like your approach, but can see it being ruthless. I am down for ruthless, or just honest feedback.<br />
I will return to DAH with what I gleaned here. see what he makes from this approach.<br />
I suppose though, one thing, his bloggers maynot be all busy professionals but a hi % being hobbiest, in that respect one may have to take on a different approach?<br />
found you thru my unconscious habitual visits to the greatly missed Alec Soth blog</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@14 PE:
I just said they were Photo Theory 101... not necessarily terribly readable.  I have vague memories about Plato&#039;s cave.

I fell asleep reading Sontag over and over and over again.  I think I read like 1 sentence between each nap.  Still, you gotta read it if you want to get educated-a-lized.

Also, Helmut Newton&#039;s autobiography has some fun little bits to it.  Also the documentary about him &quot;Frames From the Edge&quot; is fun.  The scene about overly sensitive printers is quite humorous.  Not as heavy a read or viewing as Sontag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@14 PE:<br />
I just said they were Photo Theory 101&#8230; not necessarily terribly readable.  I have vague memories about Plato&#8217;s cave.</p>
<p>I fell asleep reading Sontag over and over and over again.  I think I read like 1 sentence between each nap.  Still, you gotta read it if you want to get educated-a-lized.</p>
<p>Also, Helmut Newton&#8217;s autobiography has some fun little bits to it.  Also the documentary about him &#8220;Frames From the Edge&#8221; is fun.  The scene about overly sensitive printers is quite humorous.  Not as heavy a read or viewing as Sontag.</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11 tde: I usually make an assignment based on a pitch so I&#039;m familiar with the subject matter and objective of the story. I&#039;m not talking about stock photos here, it&#039;s an assignment so the photos already have relevance to the story.

@13 dude: I can&#039;t get past the first couple pages of Sontag. May try again in a few years.</description>
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<p>@13 dude: I can&#8217;t get past the first couple pages of Sontag. May try again in a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dude&#039;s Photography Theory 101 reading list:

Photographers on Photography; Lyons, Nathan (ed.)

Photography until Now; Szarkowski, John

History of Photography, From 1839 to the Present; Newhall, Beaumont

The Decisive Moment; Cartier-Bresson, Henri (read the introduction essay)

On Photography; Sontag, Susan

Ways of Seeing; Berger, John

Bystander: A History of Street Photography; Meyerowitz, Joel and Westerbeck, Colin (specialty but a very good book)

What do Pictures Want?; Mitchell, W.J.T.

Richard Avedon: Evidence 1994; Avedon, Richard (read the essays)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dude&#8217;s Photography Theory 101 reading list:</p>
<p>Photographers on Photography; Lyons, Nathan (ed.)</p>
<p>Photography until Now; Szarkowski, John</p>
<p>History of Photography, From 1839 to the Present; Newhall, Beaumont</p>
<p>The Decisive Moment; Cartier-Bresson, Henri (read the introduction essay)</p>
<p>On Photography; Sontag, Susan</p>
<p>Ways of Seeing; Berger, John</p>
<p>Bystander: A History of Street Photography; Meyerowitz, Joel and Westerbeck, Colin (specialty but a very good book)</p>
<p>What do Pictures Want?; Mitchell, W.J.T.</p>
<p>Richard Avedon: Evidence 1994; Avedon, Richard (read the essays)</p>
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