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		<description>[...] A Photo Editor - Talking About Photography: As the Director of Photography at a national magazine one of the most difficult things I have to do is discuss photography with people who know next to nothing about it. Most editors are very literal minded when it comes to photography, they want a picture of the person, place or thing that the writer talks about. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Photo News Today - "All the imaging news, all the time."</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4453</link>
		<dc:creator>Photo News Today - "All the imaging news, all the time."</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-12-20 &#124; TrentHead.Com</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4276</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-12-20 &#124; TrentHead.Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Photo Editor - Talking About Photography There are many ways to use photography at a magazine. The worst is to use photos as decoration or as a literal translation of the story into pictures. (tags: photography photojournalism) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A Photo Editor &#8211; Talking About Photography There are many ways to use photography at a magazine. The worst is to use photos as decoration or as a literal translation of the story into pictures. (tags: photography photojournalism) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pixgremlin</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4273</link>
		<dc:creator>Pixgremlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with you on this post, APE.  I sincerely believe that some of the editors I work with are visually dyslexic and feel that because they are editors they should have the final word, thus totally disregarding the input you have as regards the images that should work for the piece.  Don&#039;t get me on my rant box today!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with you on this post, APE.  I sincerely believe that some of the editors I work with are visually dyslexic and feel that because they are editors they should have the final word, thus totally disregarding the input you have as regards the images that should work for the piece.  Don&#8217;t get me on my rant box today!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fotografo</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4256</link>
		<dc:creator>Fotografo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking about photography is an essential skill that will help a photographer with picture editors, clients and editors.
So you have to describe the pro and con fo a picture with clean and easy language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking about photography is an essential skill that will help a photographer with picture editors, clients and editors.<br />
So you have to describe the pro and con fo a picture with clean and easy language.</p>
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		<title>By: Facial Expression</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4249</link>
		<dc:creator>Facial Expression</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find fascinating sometimes is editing the take with another person, or even worse, being on set, looking at CaptureOne thumbnails, with every image that I&#039;ve shot, and the AD is standing there, and sometimes even the client, and I&#039;m Command-T&#039;ing my choices, but they&#039;re pointing to other frames in the same setup, but with RADICALLY different facial expressions, or body positions. 

Sometimes, it just blows me away, &quot;You think THAT is a good frame?&quot;, I say to myself, under my breath of course. The range of choices amongst three educated people, standing in the exact same room, can just astound me sometimes. 

And it&#039;s not as if I always think I&#039;m right. Most of the time, it just amazes me that there&#039;s such a range in what three people think is the best frame. I just wonder, where does it come from, in each person, to make up the sum total of some kind of knowledge bank that you&#039;d use to choose/edit a photo session?

Sometimes, someone else, (never me) will choose a frame where the subject looks either not human, not breathing, not alive, or like a deer in headlights, but what they&#039;re choosing from is criteria like &quot;I like their hair in that frame&quot;, but that&#039;s all they can see -- the hair. They see nothing in the frame. Or the frame where the person looks dead, but the AD likes it because there are no smile lines in the face, (because there IS no expression).

And even worse, as Murphy&#039;s Law would have it, the frame that is their &quot;absolute favorite, bar none&quot; is the frame that&#039;s slightly soft... Some days, you can&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find fascinating sometimes is editing the take with another person, or even worse, being on set, looking at CaptureOne thumbnails, with every image that I&#8217;ve shot, and the AD is standing there, and sometimes even the client, and I&#8217;m Command-T&#8217;ing my choices, but they&#8217;re pointing to other frames in the same setup, but with RADICALLY different facial expressions, or body positions. </p>
<p>Sometimes, it just blows me away, &#8220;You think THAT is a good frame?&#8221;, I say to myself, under my breath of course. The range of choices amongst three educated people, standing in the exact same room, can just astound me sometimes. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not as if I always think I&#8217;m right. Most of the time, it just amazes me that there&#8217;s such a range in what three people think is the best frame. I just wonder, where does it come from, in each person, to make up the sum total of some kind of knowledge bank that you&#8217;d use to choose/edit a photo session?</p>
<p>Sometimes, someone else, (never me) will choose a frame where the subject looks either not human, not breathing, not alive, or like a deer in headlights, but what they&#8217;re choosing from is criteria like &#8220;I like their hair in that frame&#8221;, but that&#8217;s all they can see &#8212; the hair. They see nothing in the frame. Or the frame where the person looks dead, but the AD likes it because there are no smile lines in the face, (because there IS no expression).</p>
<p>And even worse, as Murphy&#8217;s Law would have it, the frame that is their &#8220;absolute favorite, bar none&#8221; is the frame that&#8217;s slightly soft&#8230; Some days, you can&#8217;t win.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Eager</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4246</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell Eager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when you&#039;ve finished all those other books read &quot; The Street of Crocodiles&quot; by Bruno Schultz for dessert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when you&#8217;ve finished all those other books read &#8221; The Street of Crocodiles&#8221; by Bruno Schultz for dessert.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4242</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoot. I was hoping for some concrete examples of the language you use communicate about photographs. This just told me to read two books.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4241</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Shore&#039;s recent re-release of &quot;the Nature of Photographs&quot; is amazing and well worth the price it goes for online.  
I can&#039;t think of any better book to get people critically thinking about how photographs work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Shore&#8217;s recent re-release of &#8220;the Nature of Photographs&#8221; is amazing and well worth the price it goes for online.<br />
I can&#8217;t think of any better book to get people critically thinking about how photographs work.</p>
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		<title>By: max s. gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4230</link>
		<dc:creator>max s. gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more book - not necessarily the same as the rest, but really inspiring nonetheless:

W. Eugene Smith: Shadow and Substance, the Life and Work of an American Photographer  - by Jim Hughes. I loaned this book to a friend and she kept it for the better part of a decade before returning it (without the dust jacket - Thanks, Amy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more book &#8211; not necessarily the same as the rest, but really inspiring nonetheless:</p>
<p>W. Eugene Smith: Shadow and Substance, the Life and Work of an American Photographer  &#8211; by Jim Hughes. I loaned this book to a friend and she kept it for the better part of a decade before returning it (without the dust jacket &#8211; Thanks, Amy).</p>
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		<title>By: max s. gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4229</link>
		<dc:creator>max s. gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20 suzanne - Yes! Robert Adams &quot;Why People Photograph&quot; - you beat me to the punch. That&#039;s a great one. 

APE: many enlightening and revealing things have surfaced in this forum, but I really appreciate the content of this particular post. I know I&#039;m not alone in having butted heads up against the wall of literalism way too many times. Unfortunately all too often it seems PEs give in, and then of course photographers give in, and it just trickles down &#039;til you look up a few months later at the pictures you&#039;ve been making and say &quot;What the hell am I doing?&quot;

I always assumed part of this came from the idea that editors felt the reader was kind of stupid and had to be hit over the head with an idea that reinforced the story (or some aspect thereof) very literally: &quot;See! It&#039;s a guy wearing a tie in a big oak conference room! He must be Important!&quot;

Then again it&#039;s interesting to see how some photographers consistently slip non-literal and transcendent images through the system. I wonder if anyone ever stops Chris Buck and says &quot;Hey, dude, what the hell was that? Where&#039;s the conference room? What happened to this guy&#039;s tie? What&#039;s with the rubber duckie?&quot; 

[just an example - I don&#039;t know if Chris Buck employs a rubber duckie, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s possible]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20 suzanne &#8211; Yes! Robert Adams &#8220;Why People Photograph&#8221; &#8211; you beat me to the punch. That&#8217;s a great one. </p>
<p>APE: many enlightening and revealing things have surfaced in this forum, but I really appreciate the content of this particular post. I know I&#8217;m not alone in having butted heads up against the wall of literalism way too many times. Unfortunately all too often it seems PEs give in, and then of course photographers give in, and it just trickles down &#8217;til you look up a few months later at the pictures you&#8217;ve been making and say &#8220;What the hell am I doing?&#8221;</p>
<p>I always assumed part of this came from the idea that editors felt the reader was kind of stupid and had to be hit over the head with an idea that reinforced the story (or some aspect thereof) very literally: &#8220;See! It&#8217;s a guy wearing a tie in a big oak conference room! He must be Important!&#8221;</p>
<p>Then again it&#8217;s interesting to see how some photographers consistently slip non-literal and transcendent images through the system. I wonder if anyone ever stops Chris Buck and says &#8220;Hey, dude, what the hell was that? Where&#8217;s the conference room? What happened to this guy&#8217;s tie? What&#8217;s with the rubber duckie?&#8221; </p>
<p>[just an example - I don't know if Chris Buck employs a rubber duckie, but I'm sure it's possible]</p>
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		<title>By: ben roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4228</link>
		<dc:creator>ben roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a couple to add to dude&#039;s list:


&#039;On Being A Photographer&#039; by David Hurn and Bill Jay

&quot;Creating a Sense of Place&#039; by Joel Meyerowitz - it has a great interview in which Meyerowitz talks about how and why he makes photographs..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a couple to add to dude&#8217;s list:</p>
<p>&#8216;On Being A Photographer&#8217; by David Hurn and Bill Jay</p>
<p>&#8220;Creating a Sense of Place&#8217; by Joel Meyerowitz &#8211; it has a great interview in which Meyerowitz talks about how and why he makes photographs..</p>
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		<title>By: jing q</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4225</link>
		<dc:creator>jing q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s funny...I always thought Sontag&#039;s On Photography was a pretty easy read
and it tackles the more philosophical questions that we as photographers need to consider before we go out and fill the world with more visual garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s funny&#8230;I always thought Sontag&#8217;s On Photography was a pretty easy read<br />
and it tackles the more philosophical questions that we as photographers need to consider before we go out and fill the world with more visual garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2007/12/19/talking-about-photography/#comment-4221</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sontags book on photography is a joke.  She was a fine writer and thinker, but that little bit is hot air and blather.  

Maybe it makes sense though.  I think she wrote it after her relationship with Avedon fill apart.  Kind of a jab at him and photography.

Wonder if she ever rethought it later when she had a much more successful relationship with Leibovitz...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sontags book on photography is a joke.  She was a fine writer and thinker, but that little bit is hot air and blather.  </p>
<p>Maybe it makes sense though.  I think she wrote it after her relationship with Avedon fill apart.  Kind of a jab at him and photography.</p>
<p>Wonder if she ever rethought it later when she had a much more successful relationship with Leibovitz&#8230;?</p>
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