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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: andy anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ll never forget the day when I walked up to the 120 meter ski jump during the 2002 winter olympics and sat down next to SI&#039;s Peter Read Miller with my graflex super d and put in a polaroid...........his look..................PRICELESS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll never forget the day when I walked up to the 120 meter ski jump during the 2002 winter olympics and sat down next to SI&#8217;s Peter Read Miller with my graflex super d and put in a polaroid&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..his look&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;PRICELESS!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to the Xgames last summer... It was Bananas. Seriously Hundreds of photographers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the Xgames last summer&#8230; It was Bananas. Seriously Hundreds of photographers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bernd gruber</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernd gruber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eric.. while this drifts off quite a lot.. you said exactly what i said, just in more words. be friendly and a superclamp will go anywhere. mine have seen lots of odd - and so called impossible - places.
and as soon as people dont recognize a flash in a picture as a flash, it aint no flash no more. it becomes light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eric.. while this drifts off quite a lot.. you said exactly what i said, just in more words. be friendly and a superclamp will go anywhere. mine have seen lots of odd &#8211; and so called impossible &#8211; places.<br />
and as soon as people dont recognize a flash in a picture as a flash, it aint no flash no more. it becomes light.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carrie:  I appreciate the sentiment, but for me, using flash is a matter of style and taste.  I&#039;m perfectly capable of shooting in low light.  I just like the contrast and color saturation I get with lower ISO settings, and I like the freedom to design my own light setups.    I also like the wider usable zoom range on my slower kit lens.  It&#039;s wider on the bottom end and more telephoto on the top end than 2.8 zooms that cost many times more.

Seriously, it&#039;s not about tools or techniques -- it&#039;s about results, and doing what you need to do to get those results.  Pros get results, and get paid for them.

Everything else is just details -- and they don&#039;t mean much.  I don&#039;t think you NEED flash to get great results... hell, I&#039;m a fan of Todd Owyoung (IShootShows.com), and he uses available light most of the time, and makes it work.  GREAT!  That&#039;s part of what makes his style what it is.

Incidentally, I think your shots are great, even if you do let the stage designer set up your lights for you... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carrie:  I appreciate the sentiment, but for me, using flash is a matter of style and taste.  I&#8217;m perfectly capable of shooting in low light.  I just like the contrast and color saturation I get with lower ISO settings, and I like the freedom to design my own light setups.    I also like the wider usable zoom range on my slower kit lens.  It&#8217;s wider on the bottom end and more telephoto on the top end than 2.8 zooms that cost many times more.</p>
<p>Seriously, it&#8217;s not about tools or techniques &#8212; it&#8217;s about results, and doing what you need to do to get those results.  Pros get results, and get paid for them.</p>
<p>Everything else is just details &#8212; and they don&#8217;t mean much.  I don&#8217;t think you NEED flash to get great results&#8230; hell, I&#8217;m a fan of Todd Owyoung (IShootShows.com), and he uses available light most of the time, and makes it work.  GREAT!  That&#8217;s part of what makes his style what it is.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I think your shots are great, even if you do let the stage designer set up your lights for you&#8230; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently shot the Union Square Street Sessions, a snowboard event in the middle of NYC at night. Within the media credentialed section there were more point and shoots than pro cameras, a line of elinchroms / pocketwizard&#039;ed off cam strobes the length of one side of the event and a massive TV camera boom crane that swung over the heads of the media area. Add to the fact that inevitably more &quot;photographers&quot; will literally jostle each other / stand in front of each other / cross pw channels to drain competitors flashes / etc. and you&#039;ve got an exhausting four hours.. need new batts, need to use the bathroom or grab some necessity? You&#039;ve get to leave the media area and push your way through 1000s of people shoulder to shoulder against the barriers. That angle from the top floor of Barnes and Noble looks like a killer angle and unique view.. until you find out one of th event sponsors rented the entire top floor and is allowing only their ONE filmer into the space. Dang, I just stood in front of a couple of spectators who are pissed my camera is in their view.. I get a drink thrown at me.. sweet. None of this is uncommon, I&#039;ve dealt with all of these situations multiple times. Factor all that in and I&#039;m happy to get out of most events with all my gear and my health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently shot the Union Square Street Sessions, a snowboard event in the middle of NYC at night. Within the media credentialed section there were more point and shoots than pro cameras, a line of elinchroms / pocketwizard&#8217;ed off cam strobes the length of one side of the event and a massive TV camera boom crane that swung over the heads of the media area. Add to the fact that inevitably more &#8220;photographers&#8221; will literally jostle each other / stand in front of each other / cross pw channels to drain competitors flashes / etc. and you&#8217;ve got an exhausting four hours.. need new batts, need to use the bathroom or grab some necessity? You&#8217;ve get to leave the media area and push your way through 1000s of people shoulder to shoulder against the barriers. That angle from the top floor of Barnes and Noble looks like a killer angle and unique view.. until you find out one of th event sponsors rented the entire top floor and is allowing only their ONE filmer into the space. Dang, I just stood in front of a couple of spectators who are pissed my camera is in their view.. I get a drink thrown at me.. sweet. None of this is uncommon, I&#8217;ve dealt with all of these situations multiple times. Factor all that in and I&#8217;m happy to get out of most events with all my gear and my health.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 45/Eric - Seriously?  If you can&#039;t get great photos with stage lighting at a fairly big show (even small shows) without having to use flash, there&#039;s something wrong.  THAT is what separates the pros from the amateurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 45/Eric &#8211; Seriously?  If you can&#8217;t get great photos with stage lighting at a fairly big show (even small shows) without having to use flash, there&#8217;s something wrong.  THAT is what separates the pros from the amateurs.</p>
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		<title>By: rob haggart</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob haggart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>feel better?

moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>feel better?</p>
<p>moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 34.

Or &quot;I&#039;m a photo editor because I could never make it as a photographer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 34.</p>
<p>Or &#8220;I&#8217;m a photo editor because I could never make it as a photographer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@music shooters: I agree with Eric, it&#039;s not what photographers like, it&#039;s what the people/clients like.

I&#039;m in the reveres situation as Eric in some ways, in that everyone else shooting locally relies on their (one camera!?) flashes and can&#039;t shoot in available light worth a dam. I got my self the position as house photographer at one of the best venues in the city since they have a very low-lighting set up and I can handle it. I get access to all the best bands that come through and unlimited stage and green room roaming.

And I use flash when it is needed, I just keep it off the dam camera 80% of the time. Radio triggers or built-in CLS are an edge I have &#039;cus other shooters are not doing there research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@music shooters: I agree with Eric, it&#8217;s not what photographers like, it&#8217;s what the people/clients like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the reveres situation as Eric in some ways, in that everyone else shooting locally relies on their (one camera!?) flashes and can&#8217;t shoot in available light worth a dam. I got my self the position as house photographer at one of the best venues in the city since they have a very low-lighting set up and I can handle it. I get access to all the best bands that come through and unlimited stage and green room roaming.</p>
<p>And I use flash when it is needed, I just keep it off the dam camera 80% of the time. Radio triggers or built-in CLS are an edge I have &#8216;cus other shooters are not doing there research.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bernd gruber:  I use flash in almost all my nightlife photography.  It&#039;s not about the tools or your technique -- it&#039;s about getting good results.  You think your clients care whether you use flash or available light?  No way!  All they care about is whether or not it looks good.

The only real differences between flash and available light is that most people suck at using flash effectively, and you wind up spending more money on flashes, or more money on lenses, respectively.

Some venues and bands have &quot;no flash&quot; rules.  When I encounter those rules, I don&#039;t turn tail and run, I negotiate.  I work with the stage designers to mount flashes to lighting trusses so they act just with the lighting design, only I can light things up when I need to, rather than try to get lucky and hope the action I want to capture happens to coincide with some good light.  I&#039;ve made friends with the local lighting / stage design companies.  They know me, so I&#039;m not some no-name stranger superclamping to their gear.  ;)

The ability to negotiate and get what you need is what separates the pros with real access from the bloggers with photo passes who have to deal with crazy photography restrictions.

I&#039;ve never had to go without flash when I needed it, and the only time I have encountered the three song / 15 minute rule was shooting Paul Oakenfold, and even then I could keep shooting throughout the set -- I just had to do it from off the stage.  Want the photo restrictions lifted for you with major headliners?  Get to know the performers, their publicists, the venue, the stage staff... be *the* official photographer, and get hooked up with staff status -- not just a photo pass.

You can do it.  Get yourself into a position of power with your great photography skills, then work on your people skills and negotiation to secure the access you need to offer value well above and beyond what the free shooters can offer.  That&#039;s how to win when everybody in the audience has a camera.

I ran into another local nightlife photography at the last big event I shot.  He said to me, &quot;still working for free, huh?&quot;  I told him, &quot;I don&#039;t work for free.&quot;  I don&#039;t think he believes me.  Now you know my secret.  Put it to good use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bernd gruber:  I use flash in almost all my nightlife photography.  It&#8217;s not about the tools or your technique &#8212; it&#8217;s about getting good results.  You think your clients care whether you use flash or available light?  No way!  All they care about is whether or not it looks good.</p>
<p>The only real differences between flash and available light is that most people suck at using flash effectively, and you wind up spending more money on flashes, or more money on lenses, respectively.</p>
<p>Some venues and bands have &#8220;no flash&#8221; rules.  When I encounter those rules, I don&#8217;t turn tail and run, I negotiate.  I work with the stage designers to mount flashes to lighting trusses so they act just with the lighting design, only I can light things up when I need to, rather than try to get lucky and hope the action I want to capture happens to coincide with some good light.  I&#8217;ve made friends with the local lighting / stage design companies.  They know me, so I&#8217;m not some no-name stranger superclamping to their gear.  ;)</p>
<p>The ability to negotiate and get what you need is what separates the pros with real access from the bloggers with photo passes who have to deal with crazy photography restrictions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had to go without flash when I needed it, and the only time I have encountered the three song / 15 minute rule was shooting Paul Oakenfold, and even then I could keep shooting throughout the set &#8212; I just had to do it from off the stage.  Want the photo restrictions lifted for you with major headliners?  Get to know the performers, their publicists, the venue, the stage staff&#8230; be *the* official photographer, and get hooked up with staff status &#8212; not just a photo pass.</p>
<p>You can do it.  Get yourself into a position of power with your great photography skills, then work on your people skills and negotiation to secure the access you need to offer value well above and beyond what the free shooters can offer.  That&#8217;s how to win when everybody in the audience has a camera.</p>
<p>I ran into another local nightlife photography at the last big event I shot.  He said to me, &#8220;still working for free, huh?&#8221;  I told him, &#8220;I don&#8217;t work for free.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think he believes me.  Now you know my secret.  Put it to good use.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to see an interesting progression of how sports photography has changed since Getty and digital, just check out the back issues of Sports Shooter:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/archive.html?start=1

Their message boards probably have more threads about over-photographed, under-paid events than almost any other topic.

The attitudes of sports photographers are also interesting.  They seem to be either the nicest people in the world, or complete jerks.  Needless to say, the burnout rate is high.

Any time I shoot sports, which is rare these days, I really do wonder how anyone makes a living at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see an interesting progression of how sports photography has changed since Getty and digital, just check out the back issues of Sports Shooter:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sportsshooter.com/archive.html?start=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.sportsshooter.com/archive.html?start=1</a></p>
<p>Their message boards probably have more threads about over-photographed, under-paid events than almost any other topic.</p>
<p>The attitudes of sports photographers are also interesting.  They seem to be either the nicest people in the world, or complete jerks.  Needless to say, the burnout rate is high.</p>
<p>Any time I shoot sports, which is rare these days, I really do wonder how anyone makes a living at it.</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@41. Eric: Bravo. That&#039;s how it works now. Good comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@41. Eric: Bravo. That&#8217;s how it works now. Good comment.</p>
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		<title>By: bernd gruber</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernd gruber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one note to the concert guys:
&quot;he who uses flash is afraid.&quot;

and being friendly helps a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one note to the concert guys:<br />
&#8220;he who uses flash is afraid.&#8221;</p>
<p>and being friendly helps a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do 7 jeans cost a mint because they&#039;re lined with gold?  No -- they cost a mint because of the label.

At the events I shoot, there are usually dozens of other photographers carting professional quality gear around, but I&#039;m often the only one with stage access, and the only one whose photos get used and remembered.

I don&#039;t get the gigs by undercutting the other photographers -- they&#039;re willing to shoot for free!  I&#039;ll wager there are even photographers in the crowd who are better than I am at photography.  In a crowd of 3,500, the chances are pretty decent there are a few good shooters.  I get the gigs because I&#039;ve built a name for myself, and I&#039;ve developed relationships with the people calling the shots.

It&#039;s not just about photography.  It&#039;s about networking, branding, and creating mutual value.  The photographers who know that are the ones who manage to get paid, even when there is a sea of glass covering the show.

There are photo buyers out there who are only shopping on price.  If you&#039;re strategy is to be the guy trying to under-bid the competition, you&#039;re going to bid yourself out of a job.  If your strategy is to be the best -- the top dog that everybody turns to when they want to get serious about their photo buying, you have to have skills that extend way beyond the camera lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do 7 jeans cost a mint because they&#8217;re lined with gold?  No &#8212; they cost a mint because of the label.</p>
<p>At the events I shoot, there are usually dozens of other photographers carting professional quality gear around, but I&#8217;m often the only one with stage access, and the only one whose photos get used and remembered.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the gigs by undercutting the other photographers &#8212; they&#8217;re willing to shoot for free!  I&#8217;ll wager there are even photographers in the crowd who are better than I am at photography.  In a crowd of 3,500, the chances are pretty decent there are a few good shooters.  I get the gigs because I&#8217;ve built a name for myself, and I&#8217;ve developed relationships with the people calling the shots.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just about photography.  It&#8217;s about networking, branding, and creating mutual value.  The photographers who know that are the ones who manage to get paid, even when there is a sea of glass covering the show.</p>
<p>There are photo buyers out there who are only shopping on price.  If you&#8217;re strategy is to be the guy trying to under-bid the competition, you&#8217;re going to bid yourself out of a job.  If your strategy is to be the best &#8212; the top dog that everybody turns to when they want to get serious about their photo buying, you have to have skills that extend way beyond the camera lens.</p>
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		<title>By: cyclinganon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyclinganon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@30
the name is sterling lorence...not Lawrence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@30<br />
the name is sterling lorence&#8230;not Lawrence.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Morgan Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Morgan Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having sat next to  a bloke called David Ashdown on the sidelines I can report that there is a lot more than just kit and location to photographing sport - particularly ball sports which dont run as set pieces 

Obviously technology is closing the gap but has not bridged it IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having sat next to  a bloke called David Ashdown on the sidelines I can report that there is a lot more than just kit and location to photographing sport &#8211; particularly ball sports which dont run as set pieces </p>
<p>Obviously technology is closing the gap but has not bridged it IMO</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9889</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now I have to apply months in advance to even get considered for guestlist let alone being able to take a camera in..&lt;/i&gt;

I shoot an average of 300 bands/year and other than really large festivals have never had to apply to shoot a show months in advance.  Maybe a week. 

Re: concert photography and everyone &amp; their dog being allowed in the pit, if they&#039;re really not supposed to be there and are in your way, assert yourself and speak up (nicely).  Most are too intimidated to talk back and will get out of the way.  And if that doesn&#039;t work, a professional will find a way to get creative and get the shots they need.  Of course, this still doesn&#039;t solve the problem of bands/labels using their shitty photos over quality because they&#039;re free! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Now I have to apply months in advance to even get considered for guestlist let alone being able to take a camera in..</i></p>
<p>I shoot an average of 300 bands/year and other than really large festivals have never had to apply to shoot a show months in advance.  Maybe a week. </p>
<p>Re: concert photography and everyone &amp; their dog being allowed in the pit, if they&#8217;re really not supposed to be there and are in your way, assert yourself and speak up (nicely).  Most are too intimidated to talk back and will get out of the way.  And if that doesn&#8217;t work, a professional will find a way to get creative and get the shots they need.  Of course, this still doesn&#8217;t solve the problem of bands/labels using their shitty photos over quality because they&#8217;re free! ;)</p>
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		<title>By: peter schafrick</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9883</link>
		<dc:creator>peter schafrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@25... Martha, thanks for that link to Ken Rockwell! Killer stuff!

My favourite line, &quot;Photography is not a profession, although most photographers behave professionally.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25&#8230; Martha, thanks for that link to Ken Rockwell! Killer stuff!</p>
<p>My favourite line, &#8220;Photography is not a profession, although most photographers behave professionally.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9872</link>
		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my goal is to never been seen in one of those canon ads that showcases the pack of photographers
talk about boring and generic photos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my goal is to never been seen in one of those canon ads that showcases the pack of photographers<br />
talk about boring and generic photos</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9854</link>
		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your point? Photo editors are not photographers. That&#039;s my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your point? Photo editors are not photographers. That&#8217;s my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9852</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This quote pretty much sums up the photo editor industry:

&quot;I guess I’ve spent all my time sending people to events and buying stock photos but never attending to see what goes down. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This quote pretty much sums up the photo editor industry:</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess I’ve spent all my time sending people to events and buying stock photos but never attending to see what goes down. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Barraclough</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9843</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Barraclough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Photographers only have themselves to blame&quot;
You are SO right Jean-Marie!
I am on a few photographer list serves and there are complaints all the time about photographers giving it all away.
However, things are changing.  The &quot;revolt&quot; started with EP about 7 years ago.  And now throught APAnet, and others, photographers are learning that business and shooting go hand in hand.  I&#039;ve seen a huge change.  There will still be those who give things away.  But as Rob said, it&#039;s the vision of the photographer that will help him/her survive.
Thanks for a Great blog Rob!!

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Photographers only have themselves to blame&#8221;<br />
You are SO right Jean-Marie!<br />
I am on a few photographer list serves and there are complaints all the time about photographers giving it all away.<br />
However, things are changing.  The &#8220;revolt&#8221; started with EP about 7 years ago.  And now throught APAnet, and others, photographers are learning that business and shooting go hand in hand.  I&#8217;ve seen a huge change.  There will still be those who give things away.  But as Rob said, it&#8217;s the vision of the photographer that will help him/her survive.<br />
Thanks for a Great blog Rob!!</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: olivier Laude</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9816</link>
		<dc:creator>olivier Laude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob-You&#039;ve got to go &quot;private&quot; too...
keep up the good work and try not to get to annoyed by the &quot;PILFs&quot; (photographers I&#039;d like to fuck). I don&#039;t mean you Rob, I mean the soccer mons dentists. I know you&#039;re a family man and all.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob-You&#8217;ve got to go &#8220;private&#8221; too&#8230;<br />
keep up the good work and try not to get to annoyed by the &#8220;PILFs&#8221; (photographers I&#8217;d like to fuck). I don&#8217;t mean you Rob, I mean the soccer mons dentists. I know you&#8217;re a family man and all&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9812</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya gotta love that panoramic pic of the rock festival in Hungary. Half the photographers look like fish out of water, just hanging out not quite sure what to do. Makes me not ever want to shoot a festival again (or the sausage factory as one put it above).

I remember one time in my youth at a Nirvana gig this kid kept getting in my way even though he wasn&#039;t shooting any pics (and he had a nicer camera than me!). I asked him to move to the side if he wasn&#039;t actually going to shoot. He got all miffed and said he was saving his last frame (this was pre-digital mind you) for the band trashing their instruments. I think I said something not so nice and then they never did trash their gear that night. 

A lot of (young) photographers think that you wait for just the right moment. It can happen that way but best to shoot INTO and AROUND the moment as what you envision may never happen or you may not be warmed up if it does. That pic of the festival reminded me of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya gotta love that panoramic pic of the rock festival in Hungary. Half the photographers look like fish out of water, just hanging out not quite sure what to do. Makes me not ever want to shoot a festival again (or the sausage factory as one put it above).</p>
<p>I remember one time in my youth at a Nirvana gig this kid kept getting in my way even though he wasn&#8217;t shooting any pics (and he had a nicer camera than me!). I asked him to move to the side if he wasn&#8217;t actually going to shoot. He got all miffed and said he was saving his last frame (this was pre-digital mind you) for the band trashing their instruments. I think I said something not so nice and then they never did trash their gear that night. </p>
<p>A lot of (young) photographers think that you wait for just the right moment. It can happen that way but best to shoot INTO and AROUND the moment as what you envision may never happen or you may not be warmed up if it does. That pic of the festival reminded me of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9811</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, good for you. I wasn&#039;t complaining and I&#039;m happy you make a good living photographing cycling. I know there are some that do. Sterling Lawrence is a good example. Furthermore, if you read my comment, I didn&#039;t say I made my living photographing cycling events. It was never my primary source of income. Commercial and other types of editorial photography was, and still is my primary source of income. 

But hey, I&#039;m glad to help you feel superior... 

It&#039;s apparent you don&#039;t actually read the posts since you mis-read #25 as well. The point of the link to Ken Rockwell was, as was stated, &quot;to raise your blood pressure&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, good for you. I wasn&#8217;t complaining and I&#8217;m happy you make a good living photographing cycling. I know there are some that do. Sterling Lawrence is a good example. Furthermore, if you read my comment, I didn&#8217;t say I made my living photographing cycling events. It was never my primary source of income. Commercial and other types of editorial photography was, and still is my primary source of income. </p>
<p>But hey, I&#8217;m glad to help you feel superior&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s apparent you don&#8217;t actually read the posts since you mis-read #25 as well. The point of the link to Ken Rockwell was, as was stated, &#8220;to raise your blood pressure&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9798</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the 2 guys that claimed they used to make a living shooting cycling before the industry starting not paying, etc....you guys must have sucked, I have been primarily a cycling photographer for 3 years and between racing images and commercial work in that industry I make a great living and have met some great friends in that business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the 2 guys that claimed they used to make a living shooting cycling before the industry starting not paying, etc&#8230;.you guys must have sucked, I have been primarily a cycling photographer for 3 years and between racing images and commercial work in that industry I make a great living and have met some great friends in that business.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9789</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When working professionally (now a much happier amateur) as a newspaper photog I always hating working jobs in packs. Been going to a few election events this round and it brings back that nausea. I don&#039;t like to see the sausage being made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When working professionally (now a much happier amateur) as a newspaper photog I always hating working jobs in packs. Been going to a few election events this round and it brings back that nausea. I don&#8217;t like to see the sausage being made.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9786</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh come on... a Ken Rockwell link?  

that guy could not be a bigger hack

why must every good photo blog eventually be invaded by hobbyists and youth sports photographers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh come on&#8230; a Ken Rockwell link?  </p>
<p>that guy could not be a bigger hack</p>
<p>why must every good photo blog eventually be invaded by hobbyists and youth sports photographers</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9785</link>
		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 16: Yeah, Tour of California</description>
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		<title>By: Martha Retallick</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/02/19/lost-in-a-sea-of-glass/comment-page-1/#comment-9784</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha Retallick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit to having my fingers in more than just the photography pie. (Most of my income comes from graphic design and web development.) But one of the best bits of advice I&#039;ve ever gotten was to be good at design and excellent at business. 

For more on this topic, see Ken&#039;s provocative essay...

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/go-pro.htm

I guarantee that it will raise your blood pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit to having my fingers in more than just the photography pie. (Most of my income comes from graphic design and web development.) But one of the best bits of advice I&#8217;ve ever gotten was to be good at design and excellent at business. </p>
<p>For more on this topic, see Ken&#8217;s provocative essay&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/go-pro.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/go-pro.htm</a></p>
<p>I guarantee that it will raise your blood pressure.</p>
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