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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: Trudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, ok I see in her case.</description>
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		<title>By: Trudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my line of thought as well. I don&#039;t understand how this logic above would work for anyone in the portrait, wedding, event side of photography. Perhaps commercial and stock. Hmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my line of thought as well. I don&#8217;t understand how this logic above would work for anyone in the portrait, wedding, event side of photography. Perhaps commercial and stock. Hmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: debora</title>
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		<dc:creator>debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To succeed, we have to put ourselves out there. 

It is a new day and we get our information and resources delivered differently. Visual Digital drives all of our information.
If we worry, hoard &amp; seclude ourselves. We will remain safely in the dark (ages). 

The crummy people that steal our work out of our portfolios would never be our paying customers in the first place. 

So...shrug it off and direct that nervous energy to setting yourself apart from the other millions of photographers.

There is more than enough for all of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To succeed, we have to put ourselves out there. </p>
<p>It is a new day and we get our information and resources delivered differently. Visual Digital drives all of our information.<br />
If we worry, hoard &amp; seclude ourselves. We will remain safely in the dark (ages). </p>
<p>The crummy people that steal our work out of our portfolios would never be our paying customers in the first place. </p>
<p>So&#8230;shrug it off and direct that nervous energy to setting yourself apart from the other millions of photographers.</p>
<p>There is more than enough for all of us!</p>
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		<title>By: Achieving your personal style &#38; mais&#8230; &#171; o elogio da sombra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achieving your personal style &#38; mais&#8230; &#171; o elogio da sombra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Thought on the future of photography. Mais uma vez Rob Haggart põe o dedo na ferida, a ler. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thoughts of a Bohemian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A twisted tale of twin idolatry</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-29683</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts of a Bohemian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A twisted tale of twin idolatry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Haggart was right when he suggested photographers need to create a fan base. I would even raise the bar and say the same for photo agencies. they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] Haggart was right when he suggested photographers need to create a fan base. I would even raise the bar and say the same for photo agencies. they [...]</div>
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		<title>By: NNNNN. mmmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>NNNNN. mmmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too many people want free and free doesn&#039;t exist. This author is talking rubbish. &quot;free to remain competitive&quot; is a nonsense there is no competition with free. His niavity is shown when he thinks fans or not that people will pay for images when they can copy them free. Any artist who put stuff on the web, unless under an explicit agreement without a watermark and or a copyright mark is living in cloud-cuckoo-land. Ther are too amy greedy peole only to raedy to rip-off, plaragrise or otherwise gain pecuniar advantage without paying their dues. Where does this ridicuolous idea come from that just because a person is and artist or a photographer that he has to give up is rights and give away work. If the artist is worth his labour then he should be apid from square one, no arguement, done and dusted and thos who advocate thatthey should od things for free such as the author can go whistle in the wind.
Anyone who aspires to be an artist or photographer who gives away his/her work holsds themselves in low esteem.

&quot;there&#039;s no such thing as a free meal&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too many people want free and free doesn&#8217;t exist. This author is talking rubbish. &#8220;free to remain competitive&#8221; is a nonsense there is no competition with free. His niavity is shown when he thinks fans or not that people will pay for images when they can copy them free. Any artist who put stuff on the web, unless under an explicit agreement without a watermark and or a copyright mark is living in cloud-cuckoo-land. Ther are too amy greedy peole only to raedy to rip-off, plaragrise or otherwise gain pecuniar advantage without paying their dues. Where does this ridicuolous idea come from that just because a person is and artist or a photographer that he has to give up is rights and give away work. If the artist is worth his labour then he should be apid from square one, no arguement, done and dusted and thos who advocate thatthey should od things for free such as the author can go whistle in the wind.<br />
Anyone who aspires to be an artist or photographer who gives away his/her work holsds themselves in low esteem.</p>
<p>&#8220;there&#8217;s no such thing as a free meal&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Codeine.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Codeine.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Codeine....&lt;/strong&gt;

Codeine....</description>
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<p>Codeine&#8230;.</p></div>
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		<title>By: 20&#215;10 Coming Soon &#171; Scott Lessing Photography</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-20665</link>
		<dc:creator>20&#215;10 Coming Soon &#171; Scott Lessing Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 09:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] future, creative ways to market, etc I&#8217;m going to try something new. Over on APE, a few weeks ago there was a reference to Wired&#8217;s editor, Christopher Anderson and his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] future, creative ways to market, etc I&#8217;m going to try something new. Over on APE, a few weeks ago there was a reference to Wired&#8217;s editor, Christopher Anderson and his [...]</div>
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		<title>By: melting man &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-04-15</title>
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		<dc:creator>melting man &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-04-15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Photo Editor - A Thought on the Future of Photography and a great post suggesting that photographers embrace the digital properly (also via 2point8) (tags: photography future digital) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] A Photo Editor &#8211; A Thought on the Future of Photography and a great post suggesting that photographers embrace the digital properly (also via 2point8) (tags: photography future digital) [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Leila Boujnane</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14996</link>
		<dc:creator>Leila Boujnane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Schmiedl</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14594</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Schmiedl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@53, 54:
Debra makes an excellent point that many people miss in all the discussion of &#039;free everything&#039; -- any business that makes money while giving things away is giving things away which aren&#039;t their source of income. (Google gives away free searches, but their income comes from ads which are never free. Companies that will happily send you one or two of their product for free get their money from people buying product in huge quantities. A lawyer will give you a free consultation and makes money from the actual case. Fashion photographers shoot editorial for free or cheap and make money from advertising work.) This is something that I think Rob gets but which just about everyone else is missing entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@53, 54:<br />
Debra makes an excellent point that many people miss in all the discussion of &#8216;free everything&#8217; &#8212; any business that makes money while giving things away is giving things away which aren&#8217;t their source of income. (Google gives away free searches, but their income comes from ads which are never free. Companies that will happily send you one or two of their product for free get their money from people buying product in huge quantities. A lawyer will give you a free consultation and makes money from the actual case. Fashion photographers shoot editorial for free or cheap and make money from advertising work.) This is something that I think Rob gets but which just about everyone else is missing entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Newberry</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14565</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Newberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the fence regarding watermarking. One of the  main reasons for doing it, is that if someone grabs a photo of yours and posts it on their blog or whatever, they rarely if ever give a credit. With MP3 file-sharing, at least everyone knows who the artist is. 

Whenever I do a Google image search of  musicians I shot, I find my photos, unattributed, on other sites. If it&#039;s a non-commercial site I usually tell them to  remove it, or give me a photo credit and a link. If everyone did that I wouldn&#039;t mind. What scares me is that my non-watermarked photos could be on thousands of sites with no way of anyone knowing I shot the photo. If someone finds one of my shots unattributed, they couldn&#039;t ask permission or credit me even if they wanted to.

Am I missing something here? If you don&#039;t watermark, how will people know it&#039;s your shot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the fence regarding watermarking. One of the  main reasons for doing it, is that if someone grabs a photo of yours and posts it on their blog or whatever, they rarely if ever give a credit. With MP3 file-sharing, at least everyone knows who the artist is. </p>
<p>Whenever I do a Google image search of  musicians I shot, I find my photos, unattributed, on other sites. If it&#8217;s a non-commercial site I usually tell them to  remove it, or give me a photo credit and a link. If everyone did that I wouldn&#8217;t mind. What scares me is that my non-watermarked photos could be on thousands of sites with no way of anyone knowing I shot the photo. If someone finds one of my shots unattributed, they couldn&#8217;t ask permission or credit me even if they wanted to.</p>
<p>Am I missing something here? If you don&#8217;t watermark, how will people know it&#8217;s your shot?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Shipman</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14477</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Shipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Stock Artists Alliance (of which I&#039;m a member) contacted Adobe yesterday regarding the rights grab wording in their TOS and Adobe has stated it was not their intention, the wording describes actions they would never take, and the TOS will be changed.

Boilerplate. You gotta love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Stock Artists Alliance (of which I&#8217;m a member) contacted Adobe yesterday regarding the rights grab wording in their TOS and Adobe has stated it was not their intention, the wording describes actions they would never take, and the TOS will be changed.</p>
<p>Boilerplate. You gotta love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Photoshop Express: did anyone catch this rights grab in the TOS:

8. Use of Your Content.

   1. Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.

Sneaky, sneaky...

Here&#039;s the link:
https://www.photoshop.com/express/terms.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Photoshop Express: did anyone catch this rights grab in the TOS:</p>
<p>8. Use of Your Content.</p>
<p>   1. Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.</p>
<p>Sneaky, sneaky&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link:<br />
<a href="https://www.photoshop.com/express/terms.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.photoshop.com/express/terms.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor - Free Photoshop</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14372</link>
		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor - Free Photoshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Adobe launches a free web based photo editor Photoshop Express (here). Thanks for the tip Mike (here). [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Shipman</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14343</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Shipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adobe just announced they are offering an online version of Photoshop, Photoshop Express, for free as a way to compete in the arena of online photo consumers (photo sharing) and photo management (shutterfly, photobucket, etc.).

&quot;Adobe says providing Photoshop Express for free is part marketing and part a strategy to create up-sell opportunities. It hopes some customers will move from it to boxed software like its $99 Photoshop Elements or to a subscription-based version of Express that&#039;s in the works.&quot;

www.photoshop.com/express

Not really something for nothing. They&#039;ve got a plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe just announced they are offering an online version of Photoshop, Photoshop Express, for free as a way to compete in the arena of online photo consumers (photo sharing) and photo management (shutterfly, photobucket, etc.).</p>
<p>&#8220;Adobe says providing Photoshop Express for free is part marketing and part a strategy to create up-sell opportunities. It hopes some customers will move from it to boxed software like its $99 Photoshop Elements or to a subscription-based version of Express that&#8217;s in the works.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.photoshop.com/express" rel="nofollow">http://www.photoshop.com/express</a></p>
<p>Not really something for nothing. They&#8217;ve got a plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Sciorio</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14329</link>
		<dc:creator>Giulio Sciorio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m giving away my photography. Check out www.ipimpart.com for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m giving away my photography. Check out <a href="http://www.ipimpart.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipimpart.com</a> for details.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Parra</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Parra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rob and all.

My personal opinion on this matter is that many discussions have all gone into personal points of view because of an incomplete reading of Wired&#039;s reportage on Free.

Sinking deeply into &quot;free is wrong&quot; or &quot;free is beautiful&quot; leads nowhere if we are talking of free for real, free like in nothing but Anderson is far from there.

Everyone seems to have missed the term &quot; Crossed subsidizing&quot;  spread all over the Anderson&#039;s text, as a key process to generate THE ILLUSION OF FREE  to the consumer, while in fact, some other aspect of the business is actually covering the expense, and ultimately profiting.

If photographers can not find their own way of giving away some
 -seemingly- freebie, with all Copyright protection included, which later translates into more profits, then I guess it is our lack of imagination.

The digitalization of products and services should not necessarily work against us, but I can say for sure, that photographers still have to find a way to make this into a profitable venture, as our classic methods for doing business  will eventually go away. This does not mean that we have to just accept each and every proposal on the road to give up images for nothing. Maybe that is the difference, free and the illusion of free is still something, while nothing only means nothing. 

Contests and companies asking to retain full ownership of the submissions take away from the photographer the alternative of cross-subisidize their images and services and therefore it makes no sense to go there. Instead, targeted submissions may actually become  a business in itself. 

So Rob, if you are into this concept of asking shooters to send you their images, why not make it into a full virtual repping thing?

 You receive images from photographers,  you edit the sample yourself ( you have been a successful editor, right?), you make your edit choice visible to targeted audiences( newspaper and mag editors to editorial shooters, art buyers and creatives for Advertising shooters, etc,etc), and those who get a job pay you a commission. 

This is an actual way to turn free into cash. You cross subsidize your business just as much as photographers do, for the profit of both. 

You turn your database of contacts into a cash cow and everybody wins. No more silly discussions about copyright, or rights-grabbing proposals or free like in nothing.

Regards.

Jorge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rob and all.</p>
<p>My personal opinion on this matter is that many discussions have all gone into personal points of view because of an incomplete reading of Wired&#8217;s reportage on Free.</p>
<p>Sinking deeply into &#8220;free is wrong&#8221; or &#8220;free is beautiful&#8221; leads nowhere if we are talking of free for real, free like in nothing but Anderson is far from there.</p>
<p>Everyone seems to have missed the term &#8221; Crossed subsidizing&#8221;  spread all over the Anderson&#8217;s text, as a key process to generate THE ILLUSION OF FREE  to the consumer, while in fact, some other aspect of the business is actually covering the expense, and ultimately profiting.</p>
<p>If photographers can not find their own way of giving away some<br />
 -seemingly- freebie, with all Copyright protection included, which later translates into more profits, then I guess it is our lack of imagination.</p>
<p>The digitalization of products and services should not necessarily work against us, but I can say for sure, that photographers still have to find a way to make this into a profitable venture, as our classic methods for doing business  will eventually go away. This does not mean that we have to just accept each and every proposal on the road to give up images for nothing. Maybe that is the difference, free and the illusion of free is still something, while nothing only means nothing. </p>
<p>Contests and companies asking to retain full ownership of the submissions take away from the photographer the alternative of cross-subisidize their images and services and therefore it makes no sense to go there. Instead, targeted submissions may actually become  a business in itself. </p>
<p>So Rob, if you are into this concept of asking shooters to send you their images, why not make it into a full virtual repping thing?</p>
<p> You receive images from photographers,  you edit the sample yourself ( you have been a successful editor, right?), you make your edit choice visible to targeted audiences( newspaper and mag editors to editorial shooters, art buyers and creatives for Advertising shooters, etc,etc), and those who get a job pay you a commission. </p>
<p>This is an actual way to turn free into cash. You cross subsidize your business just as much as photographers do, for the profit of both. </p>
<p>You turn your database of contacts into a cash cow and everybody wins. No more silly discussions about copyright, or rights-grabbing proposals or free like in nothing.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
<p>Jorge</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

&quot;Widgets&quot; sounds a bit like commoditization. I&#039;m hoping that&#039;s not how you see photography.

I&#039;m all for ways that I can make more money. I like your example of NIN because they used &quot;free&quot; to drive prices UP not down. 

That&#039;s definitely more applicable to photography than razor blades.... 

Though come to think about it, photographers who give away too much for free may find themselves headed for a razor blade...good point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>&#8220;Widgets&#8221; sounds a bit like commoditization. I&#8217;m hoping that&#8217;s not how you see photography.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for ways that I can make more money. I like your example of NIN because they used &#8220;free&#8221; to drive prices UP not down. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s definitely more applicable to photography than razor blades&#8230;. </p>
<p>Though come to think about it, photographers who give away too much for free may find themselves headed for a razor blade&#8230;good point!</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re talking about two different ideas with regard to widgets, which is just a placeholder name for things that can be manufactured. I need a photograph and need someone to manufacture one for me or sell me one they&#039;ve already manufactured. How is that different from buying a car? I base my decision on the intended use, marketing that effects me, influence from people I respect, track record of the company, price, color, shape, add-on&#039;s...

You&#039;re talking about widgets as if they&#039;re interchangeable. One is as good as the next. That&#039;s not how I define a widget but maybe I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re talking about two different ideas with regard to widgets, which is just a placeholder name for things that can be manufactured. I need a photograph and need someone to manufacture one for me or sell me one they&#8217;ve already manufactured. How is that different from buying a car? I base my decision on the intended use, marketing that effects me, influence from people I respect, track record of the company, price, color, shape, add-on&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking about widgets as if they&#8217;re interchangeable. One is as good as the next. That&#8217;s not how I define a widget but maybe I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@51 Rob wrote: &quot;Don’t kid yourself, photographs are widgets and all the normal laws of economics apply....&quot;

Maybe Rob, but I&#039;m willing to bet that:

There are widgets you&#039;d never, ever, ever use.
There are widgets that are ok as 1/8 page stock.
There are widgets you might take a chance on.
There are widgets you count on 3-5 times a year.
There are widgets you absolutely L-O-V-E!
There are widgets you just WISH you could get your hands on.

Are they all really the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@51 Rob wrote: &#8220;Don’t kid yourself, photographs are widgets and all the normal laws of economics apply&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Rob, but I&#8217;m willing to bet that:</p>
<p>There are widgets you&#8217;d never, ever, ever use.<br />
There are widgets that are ok as 1/8 page stock.<br />
There are widgets you might take a chance on.<br />
There are widgets you count on 3-5 times a year.<br />
There are widgets you absolutely L-O-V-E!<br />
There are widgets you just WISH you could get your hands on.</p>
<p>Are they all really the same?</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re missing the point altogether. allow people to look at your photographs for free and pass them along (post on blogs). i&#039;m NOT talking about FREE commercial use as I&#039;ve said many times here. you can&#039;t convert free buyers into paying buyers.

the second component that you seem to be missing in your gillette  and epson comparison (which I never mentioned by the way because I know better than to use the past to predict the future) is the distribution. photographs are worthless without distribution. happily sitting on your hard drive or on your wall earning zero dollars. that&#039;s why working for magazines and winning awards and using mailing lists is so good for business. use the internet to distribute yourself for free.

we can debate this further as I&#039;ve got more posts to come on this subject.

yes, tell Nadav about the widgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re missing the point altogether. allow people to look at your photographs for free and pass them along (post on blogs). i&#8217;m NOT talking about FREE commercial use as I&#8217;ve said many times here. you can&#8217;t convert free buyers into paying buyers.</p>
<p>the second component that you seem to be missing in your gillette  and epson comparison (which I never mentioned by the way because I know better than to use the past to predict the future) is the distribution. photographs are worthless without distribution. happily sitting on your hard drive or on your wall earning zero dollars. that&#8217;s why working for magazines and winning awards and using mailing lists is so good for business. use the internet to distribute yourself for free.</p>
<p>we can debate this further as I&#8217;ve got more posts to come on this subject.</p>
<p>yes, tell Nadav about the widgets.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@51. Websites, portfolios and promotional material are tools necessary in order make an art buyer or photo editor take notice of your work and hopefully remember that you exist. Thousands of dollars go into creating these materials and when it works, the payoff can be substantial. The idea that by making your work available for free to an art director is going to translate into big jobs is for most totally unfounded. The idea that a substantial payoff can be achieved by marketing en masse to the average Joe without the average Joe knowing who you are is unrealistic. You are attempting to drawer a comparison where there is none. 

Also with no comparison is the Chris Anderson article to marketing photography. The reason King Gillette was able to give away razors and create a successful business was because they were totally useless without the blade, which is where he made his money. Not unlike Epson, who is able to sell printers at a fairly reasonable price and make their money on the ink. There is no second component when it comes to purchasing photographs, therefore, your notion is seriously flawed.

The dot com bust occurred for the exact reasons I stated. And yes, there are radical changes in store for photography and should photographers heed advice about distributing their work for free, none of those changes will be pretty and in the least bit beneficial to them.

You can&#039;t possibly touch the photographers as hookers analogy because there is none. Please twist your own words, not mine.

Photographs are widgets? I must remember to tell that to Nadav the next time I run into him. 

At least photographers who visit your blog now know where they stand with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@51. Websites, portfolios and promotional material are tools necessary in order make an art buyer or photo editor take notice of your work and hopefully remember that you exist. Thousands of dollars go into creating these materials and when it works, the payoff can be substantial. The idea that by making your work available for free to an art director is going to translate into big jobs is for most totally unfounded. The idea that a substantial payoff can be achieved by marketing en masse to the average Joe without the average Joe knowing who you are is unrealistic. You are attempting to drawer a comparison where there is none. </p>
<p>Also with no comparison is the Chris Anderson article to marketing photography. The reason King Gillette was able to give away razors and create a successful business was because they were totally useless without the blade, which is where he made his money. Not unlike Epson, who is able to sell printers at a fairly reasonable price and make their money on the ink. There is no second component when it comes to purchasing photographs, therefore, your notion is seriously flawed.</p>
<p>The dot com bust occurred for the exact reasons I stated. And yes, there are radical changes in store for photography and should photographers heed advice about distributing their work for free, none of those changes will be pretty and in the least bit beneficial to them.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t possibly touch the photographers as hookers analogy because there is none. Please twist your own words, not mine.</p>
<p>Photographs are widgets? I must remember to tell that to Nadav the next time I run into him. </p>
<p>At least photographers who visit your blog now know where they stand with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Harmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Harmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted Rall has a comic strip today that highlights the future of free. It all comes down to one word - t-shirt. 

http://www.gocomics.com/tedrall/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Rall has a comic strip today that highlights the future of free. It all comes down to one word &#8211; t-shirt. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gocomics.com/tedrall/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gocomics.com/tedrall/</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 46. Debra Weiss: Yes, I give something away from free. Here&#039;s a hint: It rhymes with blog.

Photographers already have websites, portfolios and produce promo cards which they send to their potential fans for free. I think you even tell them to do this. I&#039;m just saying expand that group to include regular joe&#039;s.

Don&#039;t kid yourself, photographs are widgets and all the normal laws of economics apply. Do you think google is a successful company? They gave their services away for free except now they&#039;re worth billions. I certainly don&#039;t expect everyone to agree or get what I&#039;m talking about but your assumptions about the economics of the dot com companies is way off base and if you think there&#039;s nothing radical in store for photography... well, good luck.

I&#039;m not touching the photographers as hookers analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 46. Debra Weiss: Yes, I give something away from free. Here&#8217;s a hint: It rhymes with blog.</p>
<p>Photographers already have websites, portfolios and produce promo cards which they send to their potential fans for free. I think you even tell them to do this. I&#8217;m just saying expand that group to include regular joe&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t kid yourself, photographs are widgets and all the normal laws of economics apply. Do you think google is a successful company? They gave their services away for free except now they&#8217;re worth billions. I certainly don&#8217;t expect everyone to agree or get what I&#8217;m talking about but your assumptions about the economics of the dot com companies is way off base and if you think there&#8217;s nothing radical in store for photography&#8230; well, good luck.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not touching the photographers as hookers analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Free Photos! &#171; .leochen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Photos! &#171; .leochen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 23, 2008 by leochen    APE had an article the other day about the future of photography. He wrote about the necessity and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Josh Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2008/03/19/a-thought-on-the-future-of-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-14010</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I can hear the collective shudder throughout the &#039;traditionalist&#039; camp.  I love it.  Appreciate you sharing your thoughts in this.  It&#039;s a phenomenal concept.  Time for a beer and a bit of pondering time.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I can hear the collective shudder throughout the &#8216;traditionalist&#8217; camp.  I love it.  Appreciate you sharing your thoughts in this.  It&#8217;s a phenomenal concept.  Time for a beer and a bit of pondering time.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this post is ahead of the curve and most certainly advertising is headed this way as well.  Ad agencies are scrambling to get in front of this and try all sorts of new digital tactics whether in social media or guerrilla advertising.  It never hurts to continue go after the &quot;elite&quot; group but keep in mind so are all of the other thousands of photographers out there.  If you come up with some great guerrilla ideas that catch on, guaranteed you&#039;ll get quite the following of consumers and advertisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this post is ahead of the curve and most certainly advertising is headed this way as well.  Ad agencies are scrambling to get in front of this and try all sorts of new digital tactics whether in social media or guerrilla advertising.  It never hurts to continue go after the &#8220;elite&#8221; group but keep in mind so are all of the other thousands of photographers out there.  If you come up with some great guerrilla ideas that catch on, guaranteed you&#8217;ll get quite the following of consumers and advertisers.</p>
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		<title>By: 34</title>
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		<dc:creator>34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. What if &quot;Kristen&quot; had set up her &quot;escort business&quot; so that she states, from the very outset: I will only sleep with twenty men in my entire career. Instead of charging a couple grand or three, I will instead charge fifty grand for each client session.&quot; Would she ever get her business off the ground? Would she ever attract that first client? What about the second client? Could she sustain her business based on that model?

2. What if Joni Mitchell, or the Beatles, or Ani DeFranco, had set up their business model so that they only pressed twenty-five copies of their recordings? What if they said, &quot;Instead of running an &#039;unlimited edition&#039;, we&#039;re going to limit the edition, and each copy of the record/CD will sell for fifty grand. The edition is limited to twenty five. Once they&#039;re gone, they&#039;re gone. No more. The master will be destroyed. Would they have gotten their career off the ground? How many, at fifty grand a pop, would they have sold? Is a copy of Joni Mitchell&#039;s &quot;Blue&quot; record any less a work of art than say, a Richard Misrach print, or an Avedon portrait?

I think Debra Weiss (and others) make some interesting points, but I think also Rob&#039;s suggestion to think outside the box has merit too.

In a way, the &quot;limited edition&quot; approach seems to be the way that most advertising photographers are running their business -- sitting around waiting for the phone to ring &quot;with that big job&quot; -- the one with the fifty or hundred grand fee.

And it also calls into question, for a fine art photographer, whether to limit his editions, to artificially create scarcity, and therefore hopefully up the value of each image. But the question arises again, what if he chooses the limited edition route, but there&#039;s simply not enough &quot;ten grand buyers&quot; out there to ever generate enough buzz about the work, therefore he stays in obscurity?

I&#039;m not arguing; I&#039;m just questioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. What if &#8220;Kristen&#8221; had set up her &#8220;escort business&#8221; so that she states, from the very outset: I will only sleep with twenty men in my entire career. Instead of charging a couple grand or three, I will instead charge fifty grand for each client session.&#8221; Would she ever get her business off the ground? Would she ever attract that first client? What about the second client? Could she sustain her business based on that model?</p>
<p>2. What if Joni Mitchell, or the Beatles, or Ani DeFranco, had set up their business model so that they only pressed twenty-five copies of their recordings? What if they said, &#8220;Instead of running an &#8216;unlimited edition&#8217;, we&#8217;re going to limit the edition, and each copy of the record/CD will sell for fifty grand. The edition is limited to twenty five. Once they&#8217;re gone, they&#8217;re gone. No more. The master will be destroyed. Would they have gotten their career off the ground? How many, at fifty grand a pop, would they have sold? Is a copy of Joni Mitchell&#8217;s &#8220;Blue&#8221; record any less a work of art than say, a Richard Misrach print, or an Avedon portrait?</p>
<p>I think Debra Weiss (and others) make some interesting points, but I think also Rob&#8217;s suggestion to think outside the box has merit too.</p>
<p>In a way, the &#8220;limited edition&#8221; approach seems to be the way that most advertising photographers are running their business &#8212; sitting around waiting for the phone to ring &#8220;with that big job&#8221; &#8212; the one with the fifty or hundred grand fee.</p>
<p>And it also calls into question, for a fine art photographer, whether to limit his editions, to artificially create scarcity, and therefore hopefully up the value of each image. But the question arises again, what if he chooses the limited edition route, but there&#8217;s simply not enough &#8220;ten grand buyers&#8221; out there to ever generate enough buzz about the work, therefore he stays in obscurity?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing; I&#8217;m just questioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Debra Weiss! I agree.

Interesting concept, I suppose. Let me throw in a term I didn&#039;t see on here: devaluation. If you&#039;re selling to 10,000 &quot;small-pocket&quot; fans instead of 500 &quot;elite&quot; fans, scarcity disappears and so does interest in your work. Value goes down. Profit goes down. Surely we have all  seen it happen at least once in our lives.

Reckon I&#039;ll stick to that &quot;hard road&quot; of the top tier clients who actually want to cover costs rather than devaluing my visual integrity in order to be more like Wal-Mart and less like Neimen Marcus.

The real mistake nearly every photographer makes is having only one source of revenue. These days, to truly be rich, to build wealth, each person needs multiple revenue streams. And for many professional photographers, shooting is the only way they make money, which means they&#039;re also missing out on a lot of income then.

Treat photography as a fun, exciting career that supplements your other income (re-read what I just said) and prosperity is much more likely to be abundant. This industry becomes very dangerous when put in place as a last resort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Debra Weiss! I agree.</p>
<p>Interesting concept, I suppose. Let me throw in a term I didn&#8217;t see on here: devaluation. If you&#8217;re selling to 10,000 &#8220;small-pocket&#8221; fans instead of 500 &#8220;elite&#8221; fans, scarcity disappears and so does interest in your work. Value goes down. Profit goes down. Surely we have all  seen it happen at least once in our lives.</p>
<p>Reckon I&#8217;ll stick to that &#8220;hard road&#8221; of the top tier clients who actually want to cover costs rather than devaluing my visual integrity in order to be more like Wal-Mart and less like Neimen Marcus.</p>
<p>The real mistake nearly every photographer makes is having only one source of revenue. These days, to truly be rich, to build wealth, each person needs multiple revenue streams. And for many professional photographers, shooting is the only way they make money, which means they&#8217;re also missing out on a lot of income then.</p>
<p>Treat photography as a fun, exciting career that supplements your other income (re-read what I just said) and prosperity is much more likely to be abundant. This industry becomes very dangerous when put in place as a last resort.</p>
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