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		<title>By: STONER</title>
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		<dc:creator>STONER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Esquire is always doing the things that will keep it a successful newsstand magazine: making itself a relevant MAGAZINE. I kinda cherish each and every issue and if they keep it up, they&#039;ll never be replaced by a website or any other new medium. 

And what&#039;s even better: they have a long, rich history of doing great things that they can now reflect upon and revisit. The latest cover, for instance. After 75 years of doing things right, they deserve it. And the story referenced on the cover is something I&#039;m really jealous of.

And don&#039;t forget the GOAT/St. Sebastian cover!

STONER</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Esquire is always doing the things that will keep it a successful newsstand magazine: making itself a relevant MAGAZINE. I kinda cherish each and every issue and if they keep it up, they&#8217;ll never be replaced by a website or any other new medium. </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s even better: they have a long, rich history of doing great things that they can now reflect upon and revisit. The latest cover, for instance. After 75 years of doing things right, they deserve it. And the story referenced on the cover is something I&#8217;m really jealous of.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget the GOAT/St. Sebastian cover!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikko Reinikainen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikko Reinikainen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, 1988.</description>
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		<title>By: Mikko Reinikainen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikko Reinikainen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least they didn&#039;t use an axe, like artist &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teemu_M%C3%A4ki&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Teemu Mäki&lt;/a&gt; did with a cat in 1998.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least they didn&#8217;t use an axe, like artist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teemu_M%C3%A4ki" rel="nofollow">Teemu Mäki</a> did with a cat in 1998.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If you don’t buy this magazine, we’ll kill this dog”.

Speaking of dead dogs, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lightstalkers.org/killing-dog-in-the-name-of-art-&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this conversation about dog killing in the name of art was interesting...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If you don’t buy this magazine, we’ll kill this dog”.</p>
<p>Speaking of dead dogs, <a href="http://www.lightstalkers.org/killing-dog-in-the-name-of-art-" rel="nofollow">this conversation about dog killing in the name of art was interesting&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: jimmyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! Didn&#039;t notice Jana&#039;s comment above mine when I posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! Didn&#8217;t notice Jana&#8217;s comment above mine when I posted.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice knock-off of an iconic, vintage, 60s, George Lois Esquire cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice knock-off of an iconic, vintage, 60s, George Lois Esquire cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the original better, I think

http://georgelois.com/Esq.virnalisi.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the original better, I think</p>
<p><a href="http://georgelois.com/Esq.virnalisi.html" rel="nofollow">http://georgelois.com/Esq.virnalisi.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kim Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way way back when I was still involved in print magazines it went something like this: Subscriptions paid for printing, Newsstand numbers added to the circulation and advertising paid the bills. 

But you can work forever on a great cover (it&#039;s red and it&#039;s got the photo of the celeb appropriate to your audience... in my case you got a 30% jump in newsstand sales if you had Bruce Lee) and have it all go to nothing if you don&#039;t have shelf position. 

Bottom shelf at the back isn&#039;t going to move a lot of copies so you&#039;d better be paying those extra fees for position.

In 1999 I went to the net with EJMAS.com and stayed there. Never made a dime since but I&#039;m happier.

@6 Johann I agree with you on the fashion mags, so much that can be done without 200 pages of advertising. And &quot;the net is free&quot; for publishers, check out http://180mag.ca/ I&#039;ve been publishing that &quot;because I can&quot; for over three years now.  

Kim Taylor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way way back when I was still involved in print magazines it went something like this: Subscriptions paid for printing, Newsstand numbers added to the circulation and advertising paid the bills. </p>
<p>But you can work forever on a great cover (it&#8217;s red and it&#8217;s got the photo of the celeb appropriate to your audience&#8230; in my case you got a 30% jump in newsstand sales if you had Bruce Lee) and have it all go to nothing if you don&#8217;t have shelf position. </p>
<p>Bottom shelf at the back isn&#8217;t going to move a lot of copies so you&#8217;d better be paying those extra fees for position.</p>
<p>In 1999 I went to the net with EJMAS.com and stayed there. Never made a dime since but I&#8217;m happier.</p>
<p>@6 Johann I agree with you on the fashion mags, so much that can be done without 200 pages of advertising. And &#8220;the net is free&#8221; for publishers, check out <a href="http://180mag.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://180mag.ca/</a> I&#8217;ve been publishing that &#8220;because I can&#8221; for over three years now.  </p>
<p>Kim Taylor</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Covers are for news-stand sales; news-stand sales help your profit, you pay full price when you buy a magazine on the new-stand. However and maybe more importantly, news-stand sales are the &lt;i&gt;cheapest&lt;/i&gt; way to get new subscribers.

I know even magazines with small news-stand sales spend lots of time thinking planning writing designing and TESTING covers.

Its not just about design and prettiness - its making your cover effective on the news-stand. Getting someone distracted and tired to notice and shell out $5 for you magazine as they are running home after eight hours of work.

If making effective covers was easy an intern would be doing it, not several million dollars worth of corporate vice presidents, editors, designers, and photo editors for two weeks.

Yep, Bait&amp;Switch sucks and I wonder if it really is effective over the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Covers are for news-stand sales; news-stand sales help your profit, you pay full price when you buy a magazine on the new-stand. However and maybe more importantly, news-stand sales are the <i>cheapest</i> way to get new subscribers.</p>
<p>I know even magazines with small news-stand sales spend lots of time thinking planning writing designing and TESTING covers.</p>
<p>Its not just about design and prettiness &#8211; its making your cover effective on the news-stand. Getting someone distracted and tired to notice and shell out $5 for you magazine as they are running home after eight hours of work.</p>
<p>If making effective covers was easy an intern would be doing it, not several million dollars worth of corporate vice presidents, editors, designers, and photo editors for two weeks.</p>
<p>Yep, Bait&amp;Switch sucks and I wonder if it really is effective over the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Lai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Lai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have noticed this bait and switch technique that they employ.  I usually grab a mag on the newstand because of the cover highlights, find out what page it&#039;s on, get to it, then throw the mag back on the stand and ask....&quot;WHY?&quot;

One page? 
A half page?!
A quarter page?!?

Not cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed this bait and switch technique that they employ.  I usually grab a mag on the newstand because of the cover highlights, find out what page it&#8217;s on, get to it, then throw the mag back on the stand and ask&#8230;.&#8221;WHY?&#8221;</p>
<p>One page?<br />
A half page?!<br />
A quarter page?!?</p>
<p>Not cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esquire always has the best cover design. Their black issue was amazing.</description>
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		<title>By: Johann Gutenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johann Gutenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at that nice magazine store on 42nd Street and 7th Avenue yesterday. Walked in, and saw that entire section of fashion &quot;art&quot; magazines, produced and printed in who-knows-where. Gorgeous printing, heavy paper, very few ads, amazing photography. But then I thought of those posts that Kristiiiiiina posted here a month or so ago, and thought about all those stories about the free editorial, the fake free ads, and the backroom printer deals, and I thought of them in a whole new way.

An entire store of &quot;traditional business model&quot; magazines, and then that one section of fashion magazines that play by a different set of rules.

After seeing the gorgeous photography in the fashion magazines, I&#039;d say we need more backroom printing deals, and more voodoo economics. I could have pitched camp, laid out a cot, and stayed in there for hours on end...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at that nice magazine store on 42nd Street and 7th Avenue yesterday. Walked in, and saw that entire section of fashion &#8220;art&#8221; magazines, produced and printed in who-knows-where. Gorgeous printing, heavy paper, very few ads, amazing photography. But then I thought of those posts that Kristiiiiiina posted here a month or so ago, and thought about all those stories about the free editorial, the fake free ads, and the backroom printer deals, and I thought of them in a whole new way.</p>
<p>An entire store of &#8220;traditional business model&#8221; magazines, and then that one section of fashion magazines that play by a different set of rules.</p>
<p>After seeing the gorgeous photography in the fashion magazines, I&#8217;d say we need more backroom printing deals, and more voodoo economics. I could have pitched camp, laid out a cot, and stayed in there for hours on end&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Newberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Newberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;gripping story...&quot;  heh heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;gripping story&#8230;&#8221;  heh heh</p>
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		<title>By: Finn O'Hara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finn O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, National Lampoon – January 1973 – “If you don’t buy this magazine, we’ll kill this dog”.

One of my favorite books on the Cover&#039;s glorious past is &quot;Front Page: Covers of the Twentieth Century&quot;.

Your post sounds right from a great quote from its foreward:

&quot;These days magazines tend to use their covers to advertise their interior. Headlines, sub-titles, advertisements and lists of contents jostle together where once the image reigned supreme. Of course there is always an image there still in the background. It&#039;s hard to know sometimes who this strategy serves. Does it reassure the reader by telling them exactly what lies inside? Or do the editors of the magazine feel happier when all of its wares are on display?
For a long time though, things were different. The image alone was trusted much more. As a result every magazine cover was a work in its own right, a subtle mixture of art and marketing, reflecting a spirit rather than a menu or a table of contents. And the art director was king.&quot;

When I was asked to shoot my first cover for a magazine a while back, it was very challenging to say the least, and exposed me to the inner working of the publication as I had never seen before. Everyone from Editor to Circulation to Publisher had a say as to what the image was to be. 
Big arguments ensued. Lots of shouting. 
They even went to the extent to have an illustrator draw the cover as it was to appear. To exact specifications. My job became more colour by numbers, than collaboration with the art director. A truly eye opening experience. The art director was no king, and it stifled the hell out of the publication as witnessed by the strife and inner fighting over the cover image.
It all worked out in the end, as the art director is living happily ever after with a well suited publication.

The end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, National Lampoon – January 1973 – “If you don’t buy this magazine, we’ll kill this dog”.</p>
<p>One of my favorite books on the Cover&#8217;s glorious past is &#8220;Front Page: Covers of the Twentieth Century&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your post sounds right from a great quote from its foreward:</p>
<p>&#8220;These days magazines tend to use their covers to advertise their interior. Headlines, sub-titles, advertisements and lists of contents jostle together where once the image reigned supreme. Of course there is always an image there still in the background. It&#8217;s hard to know sometimes who this strategy serves. Does it reassure the reader by telling them exactly what lies inside? Or do the editors of the magazine feel happier when all of its wares are on display?<br />
For a long time though, things were different. The image alone was trusted much more. As a result every magazine cover was a work in its own right, a subtle mixture of art and marketing, reflecting a spirit rather than a menu or a table of contents. And the art director was king.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I was asked to shoot my first cover for a magazine a while back, it was very challenging to say the least, and exposed me to the inner working of the publication as I had never seen before. Everyone from Editor to Circulation to Publisher had a say as to what the image was to be.<br />
Big arguments ensued. Lots of shouting.<br />
They even went to the extent to have an illustrator draw the cover as it was to appear. To exact specifications. My job became more colour by numbers, than collaboration with the art director. A truly eye opening experience. The art director was no king, and it stifled the hell out of the publication as witnessed by the strife and inner fighting over the cover image.<br />
It all worked out in the end, as the art director is living happily ever after with a well suited publication.</p>
<p>The end.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ptak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ptak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon - was it Lampoon? My memory has faded a lot since then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon &#8211; was it Lampoon? My memory has faded a lot since then.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National Lampoon</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ptak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ptak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even better than the Esquire cover was the Mad Magazine cover about 35-40 years ago. It was an illustration of a dog and the caption read, &quot;Buy this magaine, or we&#039;ll shoot this dog&quot;. It was Mad Magazine in it&#039;s prime and it&#039;s best. Even for a dog lover like me, it still gives me a chuckle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even better than the Esquire cover was the Mad Magazine cover about 35-40 years ago. It was an illustration of a dog and the caption read, &#8220;Buy this magaine, or we&#8217;ll shoot this dog&#8221;. It was Mad Magazine in it&#8217;s prime and it&#8217;s best. Even for a dog lover like me, it still gives me a chuckle.</p>
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