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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing to me how many organizations refuse to accept the inevitability of the future. Either in the newspaper business or any other business, when your youngest employees and customers are shouting for something to change, then you need to listen. Soon those young employees and customers will be managers/editors and longtime customers - or they won&#039;t be - they might be working to help your competitors grow beyond you and becoming customers competitors if you don&#039;t change.

The real lesson here is to listen and don&#039;t assume that just because someone is young and inexperienced that they don&#039;t know what they are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me how many organizations refuse to accept the inevitability of the future. Either in the newspaper business or any other business, when your youngest employees and customers are shouting for something to change, then you need to listen. Soon those young employees and customers will be managers/editors and longtime customers &#8211; or they won&#8217;t be &#8211; they might be working to help your competitors grow beyond you and becoming customers competitors if you don&#8217;t change.</p>
<p>The real lesson here is to listen and don&#8217;t assume that just because someone is young and inexperienced that they don&#8217;t know what they are talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this thread the other day and have been thinking about it since....and you know my morning coffee with my laptop is just not the same as morning coffee with my newspaper spread out over the table with croissant crumbs all over it.

But then I&#039;m still listening to vinyl!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this thread the other day and have been thinking about it since&#8230;.and you know my morning coffee with my laptop is just not the same as morning coffee with my newspaper spread out over the table with croissant crumbs all over it.</p>
<p>But then I&#8217;m still listening to vinyl!</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 10. quirkyalone: Brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 10. quirkyalone: Brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, newspapers aren&#039;t exactly embracing the web (even though it&#039;s bloody old now) but in the same breath, they aren&#039;t going anywhere soon.

When I did work for the Financial Times, they saw the potential of the web and this was back in &#039;98, the end result of that is a very very popular FT.com website. 

Both technologies go hand in hand. For the older farts, who don&#039;t really do this mobile tech thing, they get to handle the pink paper whilst being driven to work in their Maybach, the tech-savvy kids use their tablet devices, but at the end of the day they are all reading the same content.

It&#039;s down to the dinosaurs in control to admit this intaweb lark won&#039;t go away and change their business model. It&#039;s the same for photographers, if you cannot understand the basics of how the web works, you will struggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, newspapers aren&#8217;t exactly embracing the web (even though it&#8217;s bloody old now) but in the same breath, they aren&#8217;t going anywhere soon.</p>
<p>When I did work for the Financial Times, they saw the potential of the web and this was back in &#8216;98, the end result of that is a very very popular FT.com website. </p>
<p>Both technologies go hand in hand. For the older farts, who don&#8217;t really do this mobile tech thing, they get to handle the pink paper whilst being driven to work in their Maybach, the tech-savvy kids use their tablet devices, but at the end of the day they are all reading the same content.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s down to the dinosaurs in control to admit this intaweb lark won&#8217;t go away and change their business model. It&#8217;s the same for photographers, if you cannot understand the basics of how the web works, you will struggle.</p>
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		<title>By: quirkyalone</title>
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		<dc:creator>quirkyalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if this applies worldwide, or in the USA only. I live in eastern Europe, and for example here in Slovakia we have 5 dailies, and they are all doing just well. Or, in Austria for example, the Kronen Zeitung daily sells about 1 miliion copies a day (in the country of 8 millions).

I for one read print newspapers and will continue to do so. I spent a lot of time on the Internet as well, but that isn&#039;t the same experience as reading a &quot;live&quot; printed newspaper.

I saw a lot of pondering on the blogs about how to &quot;save newspapers&quot;, but I think most of them miss the point. Hyperlocal, crowdsourcing, news-on-phones, ... will that really save anything?

IMHO, the biggest problem with newspapers is, that they declined and fail to provide a truthful and balanced picture about the World - which is a true purpose of newspapers. The are influenced by money or politics, put more emphasis on celebrities and less on important topics, news are not put into proper perspective (for example: two USA detention camps are criticized to death, but 1100 Chinese gulags are barely mentioned), etc. etc.

To sum it up, the only substantial problem newspapers have is that they are not trusted anymore because they are not up-to-par. Improve that and they will be selling like before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if this applies worldwide, or in the USA only. I live in eastern Europe, and for example here in Slovakia we have 5 dailies, and they are all doing just well. Or, in Austria for example, the Kronen Zeitung daily sells about 1 miliion copies a day (in the country of 8 millions).</p>
<p>I for one read print newspapers and will continue to do so. I spent a lot of time on the Internet as well, but that isn&#8217;t the same experience as reading a &#8220;live&#8221; printed newspaper.</p>
<p>I saw a lot of pondering on the blogs about how to &#8220;save newspapers&#8221;, but I think most of them miss the point. Hyperlocal, crowdsourcing, news-on-phones, &#8230; will that really save anything?</p>
<p>IMHO, the biggest problem with newspapers is, that they declined and fail to provide a truthful and balanced picture about the World &#8211; which is a true purpose of newspapers. The are influenced by money or politics, put more emphasis on celebrities and less on important topics, news are not put into proper perspective (for example: two USA detention camps are criticized to death, but 1100 Chinese gulags are barely mentioned), etc. etc.</p>
<p>To sum it up, the only substantial problem newspapers have is that they are not trusted anymore because they are not up-to-par. Improve that and they will be selling like before.</p>
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		<title>By: Doktor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what the NYtimes is doing with print and web and I think that it definitly has a future like similar first rate newspapers around the planet (the Guardian, Liberation, Süddeutsche Zeitung and others come to mind)


now the LA Times from the perception of a reader has really two problems I would say: first its taking the wrong direction.  They should invest in good content and not cancel the few good contents they had (magazine was just canceled). Not sure if Lobdells solutions would work either - most of them don&#039;t sound attractive to me (as a reader).


Other problem: Newspaper culture in LA -  just doesn&#039;t seem to be as it is in New York or in Europe. I will bet any amount that there wil be newspapers in Europe for the next 20-30 years. Fewer - yes, but there will be quality newspapers. In LA - I feel everything is so much about celebrity culture. Its just not a newspapers city. So argueably the LA Times has failed to build that culture and its too bad because now its probably over for them to become a quality surviving paper (although trash can have long life too, it just stinks more...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what the NYtimes is doing with print and web and I think that it definitly has a future like similar first rate newspapers around the planet (the Guardian, Liberation, Süddeutsche Zeitung and others come to mind)</p>
<p>now the LA Times from the perception of a reader has really two problems I would say: first its taking the wrong direction.  They should invest in good content and not cancel the few good contents they had (magazine was just canceled). Not sure if Lobdells solutions would work either &#8211; most of them don&#8217;t sound attractive to me (as a reader).</p>
<p>Other problem: Newspaper culture in LA &#8211;  just doesn&#8217;t seem to be as it is in New York or in Europe. I will bet any amount that there wil be newspapers in Europe for the next 20-30 years. Fewer &#8211; yes, but there will be quality newspapers. In LA &#8211; I feel everything is so much about celebrity culture. Its just not a newspapers city. So argueably the LA Times has failed to build that culture and its too bad because now its probably over for them to become a quality surviving paper (although trash can have long life too, it just stinks more&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Cayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Cayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left one gigantic omission from your post. 

Yes, they are slowly leaving. But you don&#039;t say where. 

Let&#039;s get realistic and understand that news and newspapers aren&#039;t going anywhere. They&#039;re changing and maybe (I dare say) for the better.

Check out this entry: http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2008/07/the-turning-tide.html

Former investigative reporter for the the Chicago Tribune. Where did he go?

http://www.chitowndailynews.org/

He went where he was needed most. I have faith. 

Those who have the strength to leave (hats off toe William Lobdel and to yourself) will empower themselves and ultimately do what they do best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left one gigantic omission from your post. </p>
<p>Yes, they are slowly leaving. But you don&#8217;t say where. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get realistic and understand that news and newspapers aren&#8217;t going anywhere. They&#8217;re changing and maybe (I dare say) for the better.</p>
<p>Check out this entry: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2008/07/the-turning-tide.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2008/07/the-turning-tide.html</a></p>
<p>Former investigative reporter for the the Chicago Tribune. Where did he go?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chitowndailynews.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chitowndailynews.org/</a></p>
<p>He went where he was needed most. I have faith. </p>
<p>Those who have the strength to leave (hats off toe William Lobdel and to yourself) will empower themselves and ultimately do what they do best.</p>
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		<title>By: Embassy Pro Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>Embassy Pro Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The resistance to embracing the Internet is similar to the resistance to &#039;computerizing&#039; paper files and many other growing pains of businesses past. The bottom line is those that are willing to change with the times flourish while those who do not lag behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The resistance to embracing the Internet is similar to the resistance to &#8216;computerizing&#8217; paper files and many other growing pains of businesses past. The bottom line is those that are willing to change with the times flourish while those who do not lag behind.</p>
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		<title>By: bird.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bird.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craigslist charges to make posts now, btw.  wtf is that all about?   I guess you know the economy is hurtin&#039; when . . .

chirp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craigslist charges to make posts now, btw.  wtf is that all about?   I guess you know the economy is hurtin&#8217; when . . .</p>
<p>chirp.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real kicker is that there are a lot of talented people out there, out of work, who don&#039;t want to hang up the gloves yet.

And it doesn&#039;t take a newsroom of hundreds anymore to put out news.

One-man ops aren&#039;t really tenable, but getting 3-10 people together to cover a beat or series of related beats should do it.

Small, cottage innovation generally is the most successful in changing an industry.  The big boys are lumbering giants with too much red tape.

The trick is getting the right minds together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real kicker is that there are a lot of talented people out there, out of work, who don&#8217;t want to hang up the gloves yet.</p>
<p>And it doesn&#8217;t take a newsroom of hundreds anymore to put out news.</p>
<p>One-man ops aren&#8217;t really tenable, but getting 3-10 people together to cover a beat or series of related beats should do it.</p>
<p>Small, cottage innovation generally is the most successful in changing an industry.  The big boys are lumbering giants with too much red tape.</p>
<p>The trick is getting the right minds together.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest.. it sounds like a lot of the same reasons I got out of the music business. If we would have just embraced the internet.... oh well..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest.. it sounds like a lot of the same reasons I got out of the music business. If we would have just embraced the internet&#8230;. oh well..</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Bill Gillette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Bill Gillette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right On:  Number 36 could  serve as the foundation for maniy, many areas.  Change is  now at warp speed  and promises not only new, light-speed fast communications, but also new political, social and economic forms to both deal with and incorporate these changes

As a retired J prof and magazine photographer I am of the  over-the-hill generation, but find this one of the most exciting times of my life.  Hope to be around for a few more years to see where all this is taking us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right On:  Number 36 could  serve as the foundation for maniy, many areas.  Change is  now at warp speed  and promises not only new, light-speed fast communications, but also new political, social and economic forms to both deal with and incorporate these changes</p>
<p>As a retired J prof and magazine photographer I am of the  over-the-hill generation, but find this one of the most exciting times of my life.  Hope to be around for a few more years to see where all this is taking us.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Divyak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Divyak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once newspapers get their business model straight, those photographers and videographers that do great work will have multiple opportunities for creating content. Like it or not multimedia content, ala Boston.com&#039;s Big Picture, will be a requirement to be succesful. The question is, will they pay creators for it?

I don&#039;t even remember the last time I picked up a newspaper, but I read niche blogs such as aphotoeditor.com that speaks to my interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once newspapers get their business model straight, those photographers and videographers that do great work will have multiple opportunities for creating content. Like it or not multimedia content, ala Boston.com&#8217;s Big Picture, will be a requirement to be succesful. The question is, will they pay creators for it?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even remember the last time I picked up a newspaper, but I read niche blogs such as aphotoeditor.com that speaks to my interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These points are much more universal and go beyond the publishing industries. There are businesses and corporations large and small that aren&#039;t embracing the internet, and not empowering employees, and yes, talent is bailing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These points are much more universal and go beyond the publishing industries. There are businesses and corporations large and small that aren&#8217;t embracing the internet, and not empowering employees, and yes, talent is bailing.</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor - A Cluetrain Manifesto For Newspapers &#124; The Click</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor - A Cluetrain Manifesto For Newspapers &#124; The Click</dc:creator>
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