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	<title>Comments on: Richard Prince Sued by Photographer Patrick Cariou</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StMarc, I can clarify this.  Campbell&#039;s hadn&#039;t copyrighted the design on the soup can.  Warhol simply got lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StMarc, I can clarify this.  Campbell&#8217;s hadn&#8217;t copyrighted the design on the soup can.  Warhol simply got lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: photoforum-nz.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Copyright - Richard Prince / Shepard Fairey and the art of appropriation</title>
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		<dc:creator>photoforum-nz.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Copyright - Richard Prince / Shepard Fairey and the art of appropriation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then, in Princes&#8217;, put alongside erotic or pornographic images - see Debra Frieden comments here), and if it doesn&#8217;t meet the real expectations of the public (when corporations are the only [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] then, in Princes&#8217;, put alongside erotic or pornographic images &#8211; see Debra Frieden comments here), and if it doesn&#8217;t meet the real expectations of the public (when corporations are the only [...]</div>
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		<title>By: speedo mortenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedo mortenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A year ago, the NY Times ran an interview with one of the photographers Richard Prince &quot;appropriated&quot;. The man shot one of Marlboro&#039;s famous cowboy ads, and anyone who&#039;s shot LF in the wilderness (in winter, no less) knows how labor-intensive it is, not to mention the analog workflow once the shots are completed.
Fast-forward to the present, and Prince sells a low-quality copy of that photo for a record-breaking $1.2 million. The original photographer&#039;s tone was polite in the interview, but it must have been infuriating to have this hack profit so handsomely off your work. I&#039;ve heard the arguments defending appropriation and the &quot;statement&quot; it makes; I won&#039;t make any blanket condemnations of the practice but at some point common sense must prevail. Prince is a well-paid thief with some flimsy art-school concepts to stand behind, and I&#039;m rooting for him to lose every lawsuit that comes his way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/arts/design/06prin.html

I apologize if any of this has already been mentioned in above comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year ago, the NY Times ran an interview with one of the photographers Richard Prince &#8220;appropriated&#8221;. The man shot one of Marlboro&#8217;s famous cowboy ads, and anyone who&#8217;s shot LF in the wilderness (in winter, no less) knows how labor-intensive it is, not to mention the analog workflow once the shots are completed.<br />
Fast-forward to the present, and Prince sells a low-quality copy of that photo for a record-breaking $1.2 million. The original photographer&#8217;s tone was polite in the interview, but it must have been infuriating to have this hack profit so handsomely off your work. I&#8217;ve heard the arguments defending appropriation and the &#8220;statement&#8221; it makes; I won&#8217;t make any blanket condemnations of the practice but at some point common sense must prevail. Prince is a well-paid thief with some flimsy art-school concepts to stand behind, and I&#8217;m rooting for him to lose every lawsuit that comes his way.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/arts/design/06prin.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/arts/design/06prin.html</a></p>
<p>I apologize if any of this has already been mentioned in above comments.</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Prince and his dealers are  despicable humans. They should be forced to disgorge all the profits they&#039;ve made over the years and distribute them to the original creators of the images. 
&quot;Making art&quot; does not excuse brazen thievery. Art is no longer a noble profession; the art world is a cesspool of aesthetically gifted money-grubbers and their con artist dealers. 
Hanging would be too good for Richard Prince and his ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Prince and his dealers are  despicable humans. They should be forced to disgorge all the profits they&#8217;ve made over the years and distribute them to the original creators of the images.<br />
&#8220;Making art&#8221; does not excuse brazen thievery. Art is no longer a noble profession; the art world is a cesspool of aesthetically gifted money-grubbers and their con artist dealers.<br />
Hanging would be too good for Richard Prince and his ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Lee Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Lee Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My open letter to Richard Prince:

http://altphotoimages.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My open letter to Richard Prince:</p>
<p><a href="http://altphotoimages.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://altphotoimages.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alexis Evanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis Evanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is, get &#039;em Patrick!! I&#039;ve been hoping someone would sue this ridiculous &#039;artist&#039;, Prince, ever since I&#039;ve heard of him. How empty of a person to you have to be to completely ride on the coattails of other people&#039;s work because you can&#039;t think up something yourself, perpetuate it as your own fresh vision, and call yourself an artist? 

I could make really beautiful artwork too if I took pictures of National Geographic magazines and blew them up the size of a wall, but I still have a soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is, get &#8216;em Patrick!! I&#8217;ve been hoping someone would sue this ridiculous &#8216;artist&#8217;, Prince, ever since I&#8217;ve heard of him. How empty of a person to you have to be to completely ride on the coattails of other people&#8217;s work because you can&#8217;t think up something yourself, perpetuate it as your own fresh vision, and call yourself an artist? </p>
<p>I could make really beautiful artwork too if I took pictures of National Geographic magazines and blew them up the size of a wall, but I still have a soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Frieden, I know you know this.......thought since the subject came up, emerging photographers building their websites might be interested in the above.  Above post was for them. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Frieden, I know you know this&#8230;&#8230;.thought since the subject came up, emerging photographers building their websites might be interested in the above.  Above post was for them. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/01/14/richard-prince-sued-by-photographer-patrick-cariou/comment-page-1/#comment-36589</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StMarc, Another way to cover alot of ground for $35.00 via the copyright office, is for photographers to register their website.  I registered both my text and photography images.  You can copyright text alone, or images alone, either and/or both.  I chose BOTH.

It is broad sweeping, a low fee, and all the database files will be recorded properly.

It&#039;s a little bit of a pain, but photographers should definitely take the time and register, register, register.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StMarc, Another way to cover alot of ground for $35.00 via the copyright office, is for photographers to register their website.  I registered both my text and photography images.  You can copyright text alone, or images alone, either and/or both.  I chose BOTH.</p>
<p>It is broad sweeping, a low fee, and all the database files will be recorded properly.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a little bit of a pain, but photographers should definitely take the time and register, register, register.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StMarc, Don&#039;t you just love that they made it so easy for us?  I should have posted the eCO link.  Good idea.

http://www.copyright.gov/eco/index.html

I have found the easiest (and most cost effective) registrations are via my published works (books), which include large collections of photographs.  Series of photographs which are considered one body of work.

Fees drop considerably if you have your photographs organized into a structure like this.  If they meet the copyright submission requirements, then it really is a beautiful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StMarc, Don&#8217;t you just love that they made it so easy for us?  I should have posted the eCO link.  Good idea.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.copyright.gov/eco/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.gov/eco/index.html</a></p>
<p>I have found the easiest (and most cost effective) registrations are via my published works (books), which include large collections of photographs.  Series of photographs which are considered one body of work.</p>
<p>Fees drop considerably if you have your photographs organized into a structure like this.  If they meet the copyright submission requirements, then it really is a beautiful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Sciorio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Sciorio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Annomonuss Bleek, 

Of course he encouraged it Prince makes millions off or wealthy that have nothing better to do with their money. If he ripped off one of my images and made millions with out my permission and license I&#039;d drop kick his ass down Broadway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Annomonuss Bleek, </p>
<p>Of course he encouraged it Prince makes millions off or wealthy that have nothing better to do with their money. If he ripped off one of my images and made millions with out my permission and license I&#8217;d drop kick his ass down Broadway.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/01/14/richard-prince-sued-by-photographer-patrick-cariou/comment-page-1/#comment-36506</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Frieden, 

Most art collectors would probably know that he &quot;appropriated&quot; someone&#039;s art, but I&#039;m not convinced that the majority of them could name the artist who originated the images (except the few cases where people have made a stink about it).  Perhaps the select few who have the inclination and funds to buy a Prince work would do their research, but most wouldn&#039;t.

I definitely think most tourists milling around in Chelsea on a weekend would not know whose work it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Frieden, </p>
<p>Most art collectors would probably know that he &#8220;appropriated&#8221; someone&#8217;s art, but I&#8217;m not convinced that the majority of them could name the artist who originated the images (except the few cases where people have made a stink about it).  Perhaps the select few who have the inclination and funds to buy a Prince work would do their research, but most wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I definitely think most tourists milling around in Chelsea on a weekend would not know whose work it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@craig, Lame is being too lazy to create your own artwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@craig, Lame is being too lazy to create your own artwork.</p>
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		<title>By: StMarc</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/01/14/richard-prince-sued-by-photographer-patrick-cariou/comment-page-1/#comment-36497</link>
		<dc:creator>StMarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Frieden, it should be noted that there is a substantial discount for filing copyright registrations online, as well as a MUCH faster response time. The eCO site is not the greatest but once you figure it out you can go pretty fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Frieden, it should be noted that there is a substantial discount for filing copyright registrations online, as well as a MUCH faster response time. The eCO site is not the greatest but once you figure it out you can go pretty fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copyright forms and fees here for photographers interested:

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ04.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright forms and fees here for photographers interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ04.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ04.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StMarc, I once knew of a lawyer who got the small circular piece of land around and under the sculpture as part of contract for the artist, even though it was in a public viewing area.  Don&#039;t ask me, I do not know HOW or under what circumstances this was accomplished.  I wish I could tell you more, it&#039;s been a long time since this happened. I can&#039;t remember all the details, but there was alot of happy winking going on with this little addition when it was agreed upon by all parties.  Smart lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StMarc, I once knew of a lawyer who got the small circular piece of land around and under the sculpture as part of contract for the artist, even though it was in a public viewing area.  Don&#8217;t ask me, I do not know HOW or under what circumstances this was accomplished.  I wish I could tell you more, it&#8217;s been a long time since this happened. I can&#8217;t remember all the details, but there was alot of happy winking going on with this little addition when it was agreed upon by all parties.  Smart lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: StMarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>StMarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@craig, a thinking person would do well to remember that the right to speak freely does not necessarily include the right to be taken seriously. When presented with arguments which essentially boil down to, &quot;I think it should be legal to steal stuff I don&#039;t want to pay for,&quot;in the Real World, my first response is usually genuine Amusement - call it patronizing, in the original sense of the term, in that I tend to respond much the way you&#039;d respond to a six-year-old asserting that they don&#039;t have to go to bed if they don&#039;t WANNA.

This seems to really infuriate people, but as I like to say, &quot;&#039;Nice&#039; is not in my job description.&quot; As a much *wiser* man once said, &quot;Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand.&quot; There is much dreck and codswollop in this world and people need to be more assertive about pointing it out. My right to laugh at them is every bit as sacred as their right to say stupid things, and every bit as important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@craig, a thinking person would do well to remember that the right to speak freely does not necessarily include the right to be taken seriously. When presented with arguments which essentially boil down to, &#8220;I think it should be legal to steal stuff I don&#8217;t want to pay for,&#8221;in the Real World, my first response is usually genuine Amusement &#8211; call it patronizing, in the original sense of the term, in that I tend to respond much the way you&#8217;d respond to a six-year-old asserting that they don&#8217;t have to go to bed if they don&#8217;t WANNA.</p>
<p>This seems to really infuriate people, but as I like to say, &#8220;&#8216;Nice&#8217; is not in my job description.&#8221; As a much *wiser* man once said, &#8220;Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand.&#8221; There is much dreck and codswollop in this world and people need to be more assertive about pointing it out. My right to laugh at them is every bit as sacred as their right to say stupid things, and every bit as important.</p>
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		<title>By: Terraplane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terraplane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@craig, Amen.</description>
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		<title>By: StMarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>StMarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@craig, please see above response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@craig, please see above response.</p>
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		<title>By: StMarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>StMarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dude, I am not familiar with Mr. Kapoor&#039;s taking any such actions, but it&#039;s certainly possible. What I *do* know is true that for a time the park guards would stop anybody with a nice camera from taking pictures of it and tell them it was illegal. They&#039;ve mostly stopped doing that and have generally been responsive, as a whole, to public pressure on the issue.

Cloudgate was not in fact purchased with public funds, it was a gift to the city. Mr. Kapoor retains the copyright and the people who manage the rights *will* respond adversely to any attempt to commercially exploit images of it. However, it&#039;s in a public space and non-commercial photographs are completely legal. You *do* need a permit for large-scale photography or cinematography in the park, and that caused some confusion at first - some people thought the permits conveyed a release or licensing rights, and they do not. The City doesn&#039;t have the right to grant any such release or license. Other people thought that meant without a permit you couldn&#039;t take pictures in the park, and that is likewise not true. The permits are just to prevent large-scale disruptions without due notice and to help pay for increased police presence when a permitted activity is taking place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dude, I am not familiar with Mr. Kapoor&#8217;s taking any such actions, but it&#8217;s certainly possible. What I *do* know is true that for a time the park guards would stop anybody with a nice camera from taking pictures of it and tell them it was illegal. They&#8217;ve mostly stopped doing that and have generally been responsive, as a whole, to public pressure on the issue.</p>
<p>Cloudgate was not in fact purchased with public funds, it was a gift to the city. Mr. Kapoor retains the copyright and the people who manage the rights *will* respond adversely to any attempt to commercially exploit images of it. However, it&#8217;s in a public space and non-commercial photographs are completely legal. You *do* need a permit for large-scale photography or cinematography in the park, and that caused some confusion at first &#8211; some people thought the permits conveyed a release or licensing rights, and they do not. The City doesn&#8217;t have the right to grant any such release or license. Other people thought that meant without a permit you couldn&#8217;t take pictures in the park, and that is likewise not true. The permits are just to prevent large-scale disruptions without due notice and to help pay for increased police presence when a permitted activity is taking place.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Frieden, &quot;their&quot; not &quot;there&quot;.....more Starbucks please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Frieden, &#8220;their&#8221; not &#8220;there&#8221;&#8230;..more Starbucks please!</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dude, Anyone who invests in RP&#039;s art, will have  the knowledge of the current litigation.  I would hesitate to underestimate the intelligence of an art collector in this pricing range.  Let&#039;s not dumb down an art investors knowledge of his art and artists within their collections, and when it comes to this price bracket, they more than likely, have someone they turn to to keep them informed (what&#039;s hot, what&#039;s not, is there investment a solid one, and why).  They will know it is Patrick Carious images now that the issue is on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dude, Anyone who invests in RP&#8217;s art, will have  the knowledge of the current litigation.  I would hesitate to underestimate the intelligence of an art collector in this pricing range.  Let&#8217;s not dumb down an art investors knowledge of his art and artists within their collections, and when it comes to this price bracket, they more than likely, have someone they turn to to keep them informed (what&#8217;s hot, what&#8217;s not, is there investment a solid one, and why).  They will know it is Patrick Carious images now that the issue is on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Frieden, 
I disagree - anyone who buys the Richard Prince exhibition catalog, not to mention the million dollar painting, does not know it&#039;s stolen PATRICK CARIOU work.  They think they&#039;re buying a Richard Prince work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Frieden,<br />
I disagree &#8211; anyone who buys the Richard Prince exhibition catalog, not to mention the million dollar painting, does not know it&#8217;s stolen PATRICK CARIOU work.  They think they&#8217;re buying a Richard Prince work.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bcooter, 

Actually, most photographers DON&#039;T violate copyright law - that&#039;s why most of us don&#039;t get sued or draw criticism as frequently as Prince does.  It&#039;s all about the issue of origination.

To take your example, when you take a picture of a Chevy, nobody thinks the picture IS the Chevy, or that the picture was produced by Chevy.  

The issue with Prince is that he is taking a 2 dimensional work and reproducing it in it&#039;s entirety in an exact analogue and crediting himself as the originator of the work.

To further back up my point, if some other company started producing cars that looked exactly like Chevy and had a Chevy logo on the grill, then you can bet Chevy would take issue because the implication is that the faux-Chevy originated from the Chevrolet Motors Corporation.  The logo falls under trademark law (a symbol connoting a source of origin) and patent law would cover the design of the car (a specific, original design, aka &quot;invention&quot; in patent-speak).  

This was illustrated a couple years ago when a Chinese company showed a pretty close knockoff to a BMW at the Frankfurt car show, and that didn&#039;t even have a BMW logo on it - it was just a very, very similar (read: knockoff) design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bcooter, </p>
<p>Actually, most photographers DON&#8217;T violate copyright law &#8211; that&#8217;s why most of us don&#8217;t get sued or draw criticism as frequently as Prince does.  It&#8217;s all about the issue of origination.</p>
<p>To take your example, when you take a picture of a Chevy, nobody thinks the picture IS the Chevy, or that the picture was produced by Chevy.  </p>
<p>The issue with Prince is that he is taking a 2 dimensional work and reproducing it in it&#8217;s entirety in an exact analogue and crediting himself as the originator of the work.</p>
<p>To further back up my point, if some other company started producing cars that looked exactly like Chevy and had a Chevy logo on the grill, then you can bet Chevy would take issue because the implication is that the faux-Chevy originated from the Chevrolet Motors Corporation.  The logo falls under trademark law (a symbol connoting a source of origin) and patent law would cover the design of the car (a specific, original design, aka &#8220;invention&#8221; in patent-speak).  </p>
<p>This was illustrated a couple years ago when a Chinese company showed a pretty close knockoff to a BMW at the Frankfurt car show, and that didn&#8217;t even have a BMW logo on it &#8211; it was just a very, very similar (read: knockoff) design.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StMarc, This was a public university, and the works are literally in the public way - some are mounted in outdoor paths.  They are huge works, one was a good 3 stories tall.

I&#039;d also heard about photographing the bean... absurdity.  Why put it there if you don&#039;t want people to take pictures of it?  The ultimate in delusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StMarc, This was a public university, and the works are literally in the public way &#8211; some are mounted in outdoor paths.  They are huge works, one was a good 3 stories tall.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also heard about photographing the bean&#8230; absurdity.  Why put it there if you don&#8217;t want people to take pictures of it?  The ultimate in delusion.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bcooter, I agree - while I don&#039;t personally find it tasteful, I can&#039;t get too upset about it without feeling hypocritical.

There&#039;s the whole I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend your right to say it, to this.

And artists complaining about someone else&#039;s art... doesn&#039;t get much lamer than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bcooter, I agree &#8211; while I don&#8217;t personally find it tasteful, I can&#8217;t get too upset about it without feeling hypocritical.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the whole I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend your right to say it, to this.</p>
<p>And artists complaining about someone else&#8217;s art&#8230; doesn&#8217;t get much lamer than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StMarc, 

Always a great idea to have the fine print reviewed!  A more tempting method of action would be to have a Rep or Senator sponsor and introduce a new piece of legislation to protect GA photographers, which is current with the issues before us in contemporary society. Or at minimum, an amendment to current law. More teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StMarc, </p>
<p>Always a great idea to have the fine print reviewed!  A more tempting method of action would be to have a Rep or Senator sponsor and introduce a new piece of legislation to protect GA photographers, which is current with the issues before us in contemporary society. Or at minimum, an amendment to current law. More teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: nico</title>
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		<dc:creator>nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about a portraitist who ask anyone he photograph’s</description>
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		<title>By: bcooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get a kick out of this stuff. 

There is not a photographer living that doesn&#039;t break the copyright law to some degree, usually daily.  

A chevrolet, a cigarette, somebody mowing their lawn all have either copyright, trademarks, or personal use rights that a good lawyer (if there is any such thing as  a good lawyer) can&#039;t argue a compelling case.

Personally I think Richard Prince and his Monty Python effects are just middle of the road 1970&#039;s graphic art but you have to hand it to him, he knows how to get publicity.

Regardless of his motivation as photographers we can&#039;t have it both ways.  We can&#039;t scream copyright, ownership and plagerism and then turn and shoot everything that passes in front of our lens for free, just because we want to.

But does it really matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get a kick out of this stuff. </p>
<p>There is not a photographer living that doesn&#8217;t break the copyright law to some degree, usually daily.  </p>
<p>A chevrolet, a cigarette, somebody mowing their lawn all have either copyright, trademarks, or personal use rights that a good lawyer (if there is any such thing as  a good lawyer) can&#8217;t argue a compelling case.</p>
<p>Personally I think Richard Prince and his Monty Python effects are just middle of the road 1970&#8217;s graphic art but you have to hand it to him, he knows how to get publicity.</p>
<p>Regardless of his motivation as photographers we can&#8217;t have it both ways.  We can&#8217;t scream copyright, ownership and plagerism and then turn and shoot everything that passes in front of our lens for free, just because we want to.</p>
<p>But does it really matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dude, I disagree.  I think now everyone knows it is stolen PATRICK CARIOU work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dude, I disagree.  I think now everyone knows it is stolen PATRICK CARIOU work.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StMarc, This is by far my favorite summary of how I feel.  Not overly harsh.  Dead on.

I really love Patrick Carious work.  He has a very unique look and feel to the quality of his work.  It has a beautiful poetic harmony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StMarc, This is by far my favorite summary of how I feel.  Not overly harsh.  Dead on.</p>
<p>I really love Patrick Carious work.  He has a very unique look and feel to the quality of his work.  It has a beautiful poetic harmony.</p>
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