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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: The Discourse of a Photographic Life &#8250; Weekly Briefing: May 4 - 15</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/01/23/the-biggest-scam-in-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-43758</link>
		<dc:creator>The Discourse of a Photographic Life &#8250; Weekly Briefing: May 4 - 15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Star Rising throws down on crooked rights grabbing photo contests. Click here. For a primer click here and then [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Up coming Contests</title>
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		<dc:creator>Up coming Contests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] F stop has a nice list of Upcoming Photo Contests. They also note Rob Haggart of A Photo Editor discussion about photo contests and their value. If your into the competition thing, here is some to go and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] F stop has a nice list of Upcoming Photo Contests. They also note Rob Haggart of A Photo Editor discussion about photo contests and their value. If your into the competition thing, here is some to go and [...]</div>
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		<title>By: f**kContests</title>
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		<dc:creator>f**kContests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and I forgot to mention that its fairly obvious whats going on when they extend their deadline for pretty much every contests, sometimes twice...its all about money, that&#039;s it...thank but no thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and I forgot to mention that its fairly obvious whats going on when they extend their deadline for pretty much every contests, sometimes twice&#8230;its all about money, that&#8217;s it&#8230;thank but no thanks</p>
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		<title>By: f**kContests</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/01/23/the-biggest-scam-in-photography/comment-page-2/#comment-37932</link>
		<dc:creator>f**kContests</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PDN might as well set up shop as a photo contest magazine and scrap the rest...I mean really I get emails from them constantly about a new contest that pretty much to me seem like bullshit and more than likely a way to stroke the guy down the street whom you met at a party last weekend as the photos that win are typically pretty fucking boring and recycled</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PDN might as well set up shop as a photo contest magazine and scrap the rest&#8230;I mean really I get emails from them constantly about a new contest that pretty much to me seem like bullshit and more than likely a way to stroke the guy down the street whom you met at a party last weekend as the photos that win are typically pretty fucking boring and recycled</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately i saw this post too late and had already entered the newest contest which ends the 15th.  Even worse their tallying method for the fans favorite winners is totally off.  I entered only a couple days ago, but emailed the voting link out and received over a 100 emails in response to voting. the next morning the tally had gone down to 3 votes. Obviously they had a problem with people repeatedly voting without a new email address, however i cannot believe that 100 responses plus the subject of the photo starting a facebook group in order to vote resulted in only 3 votes.  I emailed them about this problem with counting valid emails and have received no response.   I am extrememlydissapointed in this contest - it was the first one i had ever entered and thought it would be reputable considering it was from pdn.  any advice on how to get them to count the votes correctly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately i saw this post too late and had already entered the newest contest which ends the 15th.  Even worse their tallying method for the fans favorite winners is totally off.  I entered only a couple days ago, but emailed the voting link out and received over a 100 emails in response to voting. the next morning the tally had gone down to 3 votes. Obviously they had a problem with people repeatedly voting without a new email address, however i cannot believe that 100 responses plus the subject of the photo starting a facebook group in order to vote resulted in only 3 votes.  I emailed them about this problem with counting valid emails and have received no response.   I am extrememlydissapointed in this contest &#8211; it was the first one i had ever entered and thought it would be reputable considering it was from pdn.  any advice on how to get them to count the votes correctly?</p>
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		<title>By: the cinemascapist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the cinemascapist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sara klem, 

looking for a legit juror&#039;s list is a good first step. Anyone even half reputable would not be part of the scam contests.

my 2¢</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sara klem, </p>
<p>looking for a legit juror&#8217;s list is a good first step. Anyone even half reputable would not be part of the scam contests.</p>
<p>my 2¢</p>
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		<title>By: sara klem</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara klem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a recent college grad I have been trying to enter contests and portfolio reviews as much as possible. It has been extremely frustrating. Recently I entered a contest at a website for Photography Laureates. About a week after entering I recieved an email saying that I had been chosen out of hundreds to be published in there new photography book featuring great photographers of 2009 as well as a chance to win $6,500. They wanted me to purchase the book for 69 dollars. At first I was over joyed, I didnt even care that I would have to purchase the book. Then I started to do a little digging and it seems that everyone had the same suspisons that I had. One contest winner stated that her photo had simply been glued into the book. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the company. But for now looks like I will stick with only reputable contests. Any suggestions for spotting the real from the scams?

thanks,
sara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recent college grad I have been trying to enter contests and portfolio reviews as much as possible. It has been extremely frustrating. Recently I entered a contest at a website for Photography Laureates. About a week after entering I recieved an email saying that I had been chosen out of hundreds to be published in there new photography book featuring great photographers of 2009 as well as a chance to win $6,500. They wanted me to purchase the book for 69 dollars. At first I was over joyed, I didnt even care that I would have to purchase the book. Then I started to do a little digging and it seems that everyone had the same suspisons that I had. One contest winner stated that her photo had simply been glued into the book. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about the company. But for now looks like I will stick with only reputable contests. Any suggestions for spotting the real from the scams?</p>
<p>thanks,<br />
sara</p>
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		<title>By: Davin Ellicson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davin Ellicson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, did you see this?:

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0901/contest-mania.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, did you see this?:</p>
<p><a href="http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0901/contest-mania.html" rel="nofollow">http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0901/contest-mania.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Sherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me PDN has become a contest machine.
Just about every months contests dominate its content.
My mailbox gets filled up with heir entry requests.
It&#039;s become more about an incoming revenue stream for PDN than the possible prestige of being in PDN.

If they have pages and pages of contest entries every month it certainly diminishes the value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me PDN has become a contest machine.<br />
Just about every months contests dominate its content.<br />
My mailbox gets filled up with heir entry requests.<br />
It&#8217;s become more about an incoming revenue stream for PDN than the possible prestige of being in PDN.</p>
<p>If they have pages and pages of contest entries every month it certainly diminishes the value.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Moat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Moat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Perfect Example, SDNHM is not really a museum of photography; there is MOPA nearby that covers that ground. It is first and foremost a museum of natural history. Ordover Gallery has an arrangement with the SDNHM to exhibit nature themed photography on the uppermost floor of the museum.

The model for this &quot;contest&quot; is similar to The Art Of Photography Show, which also takes place in San Diego. The income largely comes from photographers entering these types of shows, and not from sales. Print sales are quite bad in San Diego, even in a tourist hot-spot like Balboa Park, near the San Diego Zoo.

I agree that they should be called fund raisers, but I think their entry volume would suffer. So in the end this is marketing. The result for photographers who enter these things is that they might get one line on their exhibit history of where they exhibited. Perhaps that is another way to judge these things. Does anyone really want another one liner on their exhibit history?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Perfect Example, SDNHM is not really a museum of photography; there is MOPA nearby that covers that ground. It is first and foremost a museum of natural history. Ordover Gallery has an arrangement with the SDNHM to exhibit nature themed photography on the uppermost floor of the museum.</p>
<p>The model for this &#8220;contest&#8221; is similar to The Art Of Photography Show, which also takes place in San Diego. The income largely comes from photographers entering these types of shows, and not from sales. Print sales are quite bad in San Diego, even in a tourist hot-spot like Balboa Park, near the San Diego Zoo.</p>
<p>I agree that they should be called fund raisers, but I think their entry volume would suffer. So in the end this is marketing. The result for photographers who enter these things is that they might get one line on their exhibit history of where they exhibited. Perhaps that is another way to judge these things. Does anyone really want another one liner on their exhibit history?</p>
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		<title>By: ian aleksander adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian aleksander adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick Yen, Perhaps, but I&#039;ve never done any work in a photo related job that someone hasn&#039;t profited off of - I&#039;m sure they could say it was educational, but I think I did a lot more grunt work than I learned - but I was working in commercial industry. I think if I was interning for some artists, they could actually get away with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick Yen, Perhaps, but I&#8217;ve never done any work in a photo related job that someone hasn&#8217;t profited off of &#8211; I&#8217;m sure they could say it was educational, but I think I did a lot more grunt work than I learned &#8211; but I was working in commercial industry. I think if I was interning for some artists, they could actually get away with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Perfect Example</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perfect Example</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a good one.

http://sdnhm.org/exhibits/visions/bestofnature.php#jurors

I have no problem with a museum doing a fundraiser, but to call it a photo contest is another thing. An entry fee, then after the prints are sold, the museum gets half. Just call it a fundraiser, which it is.

But here is the best part:

Jurors/Awards

    * First Round: San Diego Natural History Museum
    * Final Round: Abe Ordover, owner of The Ordover Galleries
    * Prizes:
          o Grand Prize: $1000
          o First Place: $500
          o Second Place: $250
          o Third Place: $150

I didn&#039;t know museums knew how to judge photo contests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good one.</p>
<p><a href="http://sdnhm.org/exhibits/visions/bestofnature.php#jurors" rel="nofollow">http://sdnhm.org/exhibits/visions/bestofnature.php#jurors</a></p>
<p>I have no problem with a museum doing a fundraiser, but to call it a photo contest is another thing. An entry fee, then after the prints are sold, the museum gets half. Just call it a fundraiser, which it is.</p>
<p>But here is the best part:</p>
<p>Jurors/Awards</p>
<p>    * First Round: San Diego Natural History Museum<br />
    * Final Round: Abe Ordover, owner of The Ordover Galleries<br />
    * Prizes:<br />
          o Grand Prize: $1000<br />
          o First Place: $500<br />
          o Second Place: $250<br />
          o Third Place: $150</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know museums knew how to judge photo contests.</p>
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		<title>By: This is interesting</title>
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		<dc:creator>This is interesting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is up for having their eyes opened just cut &amp; paste into Google the following addresses connected with jone well known competition and marvel in how many other well known (i.e. land continuously in your inbox) competitions land at exactly the same addresses. 

369 S. Doheny Drive, Suite 323, Beverly Hills, CA 90211

8 Shepherd Market, Suite 639, Mayfair, London W1J 7JY


Both addresses are mailbox addresses i.e. they are not real &quot;suites&quot; staffed with people.  Just a post office box. 

Coincidence?  Surely not.  I&#039;ll leave you to draw your own conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is up for having their eyes opened just cut &amp; paste into Google the following addresses connected with jone well known competition and marvel in how many other well known (i.e. land continuously in your inbox) competitions land at exactly the same addresses. </p>
<p>369 S. Doheny Drive, Suite 323, Beverly Hills, CA 90211</p>
<p>8 Shepherd Market, Suite 639, Mayfair, London W1J 7JY</p>
<p>Both addresses are mailbox addresses i.e. they are not real &#8220;suites&#8221; staffed with people.  Just a post office box. </p>
<p>Coincidence?  Surely not.  I&#8217;ll leave you to draw your own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Frieden, Photo District News posted a job for a FEATURES EDITOR POSITION NY Jan 28, 2009.  Here is the link for those looking for a job in this field. 

https://nielsen.taleo.net/careersection/3/jobdetail.ftl?lang=en&amp;job=12132</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Frieden, Photo District News posted a job for a FEATURES EDITOR POSITION NY Jan 28, 2009.  Here is the link for those looking for a job in this field. </p>
<p><a href="https://nielsen.taleo.net/careersection/3/jobdetail.ftl?lang=en&amp;job=12132" rel="nofollow">https://nielsen.taleo.net/careersection/3/jobdetail.ftl?lang=en&amp;job=12132</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jana Meier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana Meier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone may have already mentioned this but World Press Photo does come out with a book of winners (reference to pull off the shelf, I mean) every year, n0?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone may have already mentioned this but World Press Photo does come out with a book of winners (reference to pull off the shelf, I mean) every year, n0?</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/01/23/the-biggest-scam-in-photography/comment-page-1/#comment-37003</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick Yen, 

Thank you for being real about these internship &quot;opportunities&quot;. I appreciate you pointing out the fact that unpaid internships remain a possibility mostly for the privileged few who can afford to work for free. I&#039;ve found it interesting when interviewing for internships at some prestigious photo agencies and magazines to ask what the interns went on to do. In many cases the person I interviewed with couldn&#039;t answer and clearly didn&#039;t care. The goal of the internship was not mutual benefit but rather free labor and the presumption that the intern was lucky to be let in the doors of this exclusive environment.  I was interviewing for these internships because I felt it was a necessary right of passage though at the time I had a Master&#039; in Photography from NYU, a BA in Government from Smith College) and 6 years of experience as a Photo Editor at AOL and a travel dot com. Clearly my skills and experience had market value. My last internship I decided to leave when it was a problem for me to take off for my spouses ACL reconstructive surgery. I think it&#039;s too easy to ask someone to work for free. I&#039;m weary of the elitist expectations in this industry which keep photography the enterprise of the affluent few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick Yen, </p>
<p>Thank you for being real about these internship &#8220;opportunities&#8221;. I appreciate you pointing out the fact that unpaid internships remain a possibility mostly for the privileged few who can afford to work for free. I&#8217;ve found it interesting when interviewing for internships at some prestigious photo agencies and magazines to ask what the interns went on to do. In many cases the person I interviewed with couldn&#8217;t answer and clearly didn&#8217;t care. The goal of the internship was not mutual benefit but rather free labor and the presumption that the intern was lucky to be let in the doors of this exclusive environment.  I was interviewing for these internships because I felt it was a necessary right of passage though at the time I had a Master&#8217; in Photography from NYU, a BA in Government from Smith College) and 6 years of experience as a Photo Editor at AOL and a travel dot com. Clearly my skills and experience had market value. My last internship I decided to leave when it was a problem for me to take off for my spouses ACL reconstructive surgery. I think it&#8217;s too easy to ask someone to work for free. I&#8217;m weary of the elitist expectations in this industry which keep photography the enterprise of the affluent few.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Diorio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Diorio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all reviews are equal.   Some competitions are better than others.

I think that the argument can be made that the biggest scam (in terms of $/effort/time/ratio of success to oblivion)  in photography may be art school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all reviews are equal.   Some competitions are better than others.</p>
<p>I think that the argument can be made that the biggest scam (in terms of $/effort/time/ratio of success to oblivion)  in photography may be art school.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Yen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian Aleksander Adams, 

Educational work. Work in which the employer&#039;s motive is purely for noncommercial educational or training purposes.

School work or school assignments are prime examples of educational work. The assignments requires you to do work and to learn, but the teacher does not make any financial gain off of the fruits of your labor.

There are numerous incentives for employers who offer these kinds of unpaid internships that I do not have time to list here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ian Aleksander Adams, </p>
<p>Educational work. Work in which the employer&#8217;s motive is purely for noncommercial educational or training purposes.</p>
<p>School work or school assignments are prime examples of educational work. The assignments requires you to do work and to learn, but the teacher does not make any financial gain off of the fruits of your labor.</p>
<p>There are numerous incentives for employers who offer these kinds of unpaid internships that I do not have time to list here.</p>
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		<title>By: TWIPPHOTO.COM &#187; TWIP Podcast #66 - National Address</title>
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		<dc:creator>TWIPPHOTO.COM &#187; TWIP Podcast #66 - National Address</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Biggest Scam In Photography [...]</description>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious how many people read PDN that are not photographers.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick Yen, I don&#039;t understand how that works - if you did work, it stands to reason that it was work that someone needed to do - how is any work not connected to financial gain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick Yen, I don&#8217;t understand how that works &#8211; if you did work, it stands to reason that it was work that someone needed to do &#8211; how is any work not connected to financial gain?</p>
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		<title>By: Dalton Rooney » Weblog » What to expect from a portfolio review: notes from Bill Vaccaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalton Rooney » Weblog » What to expect from a portfolio review: notes from Bill Vaccaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: And by the way, if you want a fairly negative view of portfolio reviews, take a look at the comments in this post at A Photo Editor. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gordon Moat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Moat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use to attend one portfolio revue that I felt was worthwhile, and that was National Portfolio Day:

http://www.portfolioday.net/

While that is student oriented, with the idea of recruiting talented students to various colleges, it was very interesting to attend. Even listening in on the critiques/reviews of the portfolios of other students was enlightening. If you are fairly quick, you could get several revues in a day.

As far as contests go, I have usually considered those that might land on the desk of someone who might be interested in my work. Of course I don&#039;t enter many, due to deadlines for paid shoots getting in the way, but I will be entering a couple in what I anticipate might be  slow here. Anyway, here are some I found interesting:

http://www.commarts.com/competitions/photography

http://www.surfacemag.com/ - Surface Magazine Avant Guardians

Outside of those, I have been in The Art Of Photography once, but decided that it was not a good direction for commercial work promotion. There are probably more Art Photography contests than any others, which I find unfortunate due to the lack of income for art photographers.

Basically, I consider whether my target AD or CD might see an image of mine in a particular publication. If the answer is maybe, and the fees and volume of entries not overwhelming, then I consider entering . . . Oh, also if I have the time to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use to attend one portfolio revue that I felt was worthwhile, and that was National Portfolio Day:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.portfolioday.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.portfolioday.net/</a></p>
<p>While that is student oriented, with the idea of recruiting talented students to various colleges, it was very interesting to attend. Even listening in on the critiques/reviews of the portfolios of other students was enlightening. If you are fairly quick, you could get several revues in a day.</p>
<p>As far as contests go, I have usually considered those that might land on the desk of someone who might be interested in my work. Of course I don&#8217;t enter many, due to deadlines for paid shoots getting in the way, but I will be entering a couple in what I anticipate might be  slow here. Anyway, here are some I found interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commarts.com/competitions/photography" rel="nofollow">http://www.commarts.com/competitions/photography</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.surfacemag.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.surfacemag.com/</a> &#8211; Surface Magazine Avant Guardians</p>
<p>Outside of those, I have been in The Art Of Photography once, but decided that it was not a good direction for commercial work promotion. There are probably more Art Photography contests than any others, which I find unfortunate due to the lack of income for art photographers.</p>
<p>Basically, I consider whether my target AD or CD might see an image of mine in a particular publication. If the answer is maybe, and the fees and volume of entries not overwhelming, then I consider entering . . . Oh, also if I have the time to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is much to be gained from entering competitions. May sound trite but it&#039;s not really only about the winning - which is nice - it&#039;s about the conscious process of personally getting one&#039;s images in front of qualified eyes that will judge the images on a basis of what is fresh, what is timeless, what is compelling, or some combination there of. It&#039;s a personal litmus test. 

Firstly one should never enter a competition feeling as though one ought to win, there are two many factors that come into judging. I&#039;ve hosted many competitions, hiring judges, monitoring the process and so often one thing that a judge dislikes, the color orange, for example can knock an image or ad out. 

Instead one should look to the process as being valuable and knowing that IF something DOES get published or win &#039;best of&#039; that it can be extremely good marketing. I&#039;ve won many of the big ones and it does tend to do something, if not a direct job, it gets the name out there. 

ON THE OTHER HAND, I try to only enter competitions that are bonified, and few and far between. CA photo annual is great and their standards are high and they deliberately seek to publish images that they&#039;ve never published before.  PDN is OK, although they are now doing the whole splinter competitions thing, and I can tell you from winning the best of category in one of theirs that they hold a party that photographers go to during PhotoEast, no one greeted or announced anything at the PDN party, prized were &#039;to be  announced&#039; and finally 6 months later they me a computer generated little certificate and a camera, no hand written letter, note of thanks or anything. 

Now as for IPA. I&#039;ve entered it and will again if I feel the marketing of it will help, and it likely will to some degree, but note that at least half of the other photo contests we receive emails about just so happen to trace back to the same physical address and company, which happens to be owned by Hossein Farmani, I believe. Trace back the physical address. Nothing wrong with Mr. Farmani at all, but recognize that there are many contests that all appear feed that one company. I have a problem with that.

It is at this point that I feel photographers can find themselves fleeced. IPA nicely delivers with an expensive awards show that actually brings in creatives but they have also done so by also being the Lucie Awards, awarding those creatives as well, which is OK, but just know that there is more to this than just photographers. It&#039;s just marketed to photographers and then when you go becomes an industry award. The point isn&#039;t so much that this is wrong...

...it&#039;s that it&#039;s a machine. A money making machine. And it&#039;s a game. A game that you will choose to play because it is either good for your career or one you won&#039;t play because it&#039;s lining the pockets of those that are marketing multiple competitions under different names for profit.

So my advice is to do it very selectively and only do the bigger ones, expect that you won&#039;t win, but aiming to value the process of exposing your fresh work, and by first checking into WHO OWNS THIS COMPETITION. How are the awards or recognition REALLY handled. 

It can be good and it can be bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much to be gained from entering competitions. May sound trite but it&#8217;s not really only about the winning &#8211; which is nice &#8211; it&#8217;s about the conscious process of personally getting one&#8217;s images in front of qualified eyes that will judge the images on a basis of what is fresh, what is timeless, what is compelling, or some combination there of. It&#8217;s a personal litmus test. </p>
<p>Firstly one should never enter a competition feeling as though one ought to win, there are two many factors that come into judging. I&#8217;ve hosted many competitions, hiring judges, monitoring the process and so often one thing that a judge dislikes, the color orange, for example can knock an image or ad out. </p>
<p>Instead one should look to the process as being valuable and knowing that IF something DOES get published or win &#8216;best of&#8217; that it can be extremely good marketing. I&#8217;ve won many of the big ones and it does tend to do something, if not a direct job, it gets the name out there. </p>
<p>ON THE OTHER HAND, I try to only enter competitions that are bonified, and few and far between. CA photo annual is great and their standards are high and they deliberately seek to publish images that they&#8217;ve never published before.  PDN is OK, although they are now doing the whole splinter competitions thing, and I can tell you from winning the best of category in one of theirs that they hold a party that photographers go to during PhotoEast, no one greeted or announced anything at the PDN party, prized were &#8216;to be  announced&#8217; and finally 6 months later they me a computer generated little certificate and a camera, no hand written letter, note of thanks or anything. </p>
<p>Now as for IPA. I&#8217;ve entered it and will again if I feel the marketing of it will help, and it likely will to some degree, but note that at least half of the other photo contests we receive emails about just so happen to trace back to the same physical address and company, which happens to be owned by Hossein Farmani, I believe. Trace back the physical address. Nothing wrong with Mr. Farmani at all, but recognize that there are many contests that all appear feed that one company. I have a problem with that.</p>
<p>It is at this point that I feel photographers can find themselves fleeced. IPA nicely delivers with an expensive awards show that actually brings in creatives but they have also done so by also being the Lucie Awards, awarding those creatives as well, which is OK, but just know that there is more to this than just photographers. It&#8217;s just marketed to photographers and then when you go becomes an industry award. The point isn&#8217;t so much that this is wrong&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;it&#8217;s that it&#8217;s a machine. A money making machine. And it&#8217;s a game. A game that you will choose to play because it is either good for your career or one you won&#8217;t play because it&#8217;s lining the pockets of those that are marketing multiple competitions under different names for profit.</p>
<p>So my advice is to do it very selectively and only do the bigger ones, expect that you won&#8217;t win, but aiming to value the process of exposing your fresh work, and by first checking into WHO OWNS THIS COMPETITION. How are the awards or recognition REALLY handled. </p>
<p>It can be good and it can be bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Yen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lauren, 

I&#039;m going by more of a global standard for that statistic as opposed to an American standard.

Here is a related survey from fairly recent:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newglobalorder.org/2008/11/poll-should-magnum-vii-photographers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Poll: Should Magnum &amp; VII Photographers Pay Their Interns in Exchange for Skilled-Labor?&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s important to remember that unpaid internships are perfectly acceptable under Federal Law so long as no financial gain is made off of your labor.

If financial gain is made off your labor and you are not being paid anything, then you are being exploited, no matter how the market is.

Labor laws and the legal system both change under Democratic control of the US government, so what was normal under 8 years of Bush will not necessarily be normal under this new administration.

I once did an unpaid internship, and I learned a lot from it, but no financial gain was really made off my labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lauren, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going by more of a global standard for that statistic as opposed to an American standard.</p>
<p>Here is a related survey from fairly recent:<br />
<a href="http://www.newglobalorder.org/2008/11/poll-should-magnum-vii-photographers.html" rel="nofollow">Poll: Should Magnum &amp; VII Photographers Pay Their Interns in Exchange for Skilled-Labor?</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that unpaid internships are perfectly acceptable under Federal Law so long as no financial gain is made off of your labor.</p>
<p>If financial gain is made off your labor and you are not being paid anything, then you are being exploited, no matter how the market is.</p>
<p>Labor laws and the legal system both change under Democratic control of the US government, so what was normal under 8 years of Bush will not necessarily be normal under this new administration.</p>
<p>I once did an unpaid internship, and I learned a lot from it, but no financial gain was really made off my labor.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick Yen, 
10-15% of the wealthiest?  I work every weekend at a bar so that during the week I can work an unpaid internship at a photo studio.  I&#039;m even looking to take on a second unpaid internship at a larger studio.  There are just not many paying jobs for photographers right now, so I&#039;m trying as hard as I can to continually learn, build my skills and create new contacts.
I am by no means within the top 10-15% of the wealthiest.  If you want it, you can make it happen.

Hey Rob - I&#039;m a great unpaid intern.  Have any openings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick Yen,<br />
10-15% of the wealthiest?  I work every weekend at a bar so that during the week I can work an unpaid internship at a photo studio.  I&#8217;m even looking to take on a second unpaid internship at a larger studio.  There are just not many paying jobs for photographers right now, so I&#8217;m trying as hard as I can to continually learn, build my skills and create new contacts.<br />
I am by no means within the top 10-15% of the wealthiest.  If you want it, you can make it happen.</p>
<p>Hey Rob &#8211; I&#8217;m a great unpaid intern.  Have any openings?</p>
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		<title>By: A. Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to Photo Reviews - I&#039;ve attended two, FotoFest and Photo Lucida and got good results out of both experiences.  My recommendations would be: 

1. Take time to check out the previous year&#039;s reviewers. You&#039;re going to see some of these folks show up at every Festival, but they do use these events to select new artists. I&#039;d especially recommend going to local regional reviews since most of the attending museums/spaces are funded to support local artists. 
2. Only attend events where you get to select who you want to see. While you won&#039;t get all of your picks, at Lucida I got at least 75% of my first picks. 
3. Be specific about what you&#039;re looking for from the experience. Plan to show a tight edit of around 20, but have an additional reserve group to select from.  Keep the portfolio box very simple, many people just show prints in a clamshell. Avoid anything that takes time to unpack.
4. Spend time getting to know your fellow attendees. This group has continued to be valuable to me in many ways. 
5. Follow-up and stay in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to Photo Reviews &#8211; I&#8217;ve attended two, FotoFest and Photo Lucida and got good results out of both experiences.  My recommendations would be: </p>
<p>1. Take time to check out the previous year&#8217;s reviewers. You&#8217;re going to see some of these folks show up at every Festival, but they do use these events to select new artists. I&#8217;d especially recommend going to local regional reviews since most of the attending museums/spaces are funded to support local artists.<br />
2. Only attend events where you get to select who you want to see. While you won&#8217;t get all of your picks, at Lucida I got at least 75% of my first picks.<br />
3. Be specific about what you&#8217;re looking for from the experience. Plan to show a tight edit of around 20, but have an additional reserve group to select from.  Keep the portfolio box very simple, many people just show prints in a clamshell. Avoid anything that takes time to unpack.<br />
4. Spend time getting to know your fellow attendees. This group has continued to be valuable to me in many ways.<br />
5. Follow-up and stay in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure PDN&#039;s ad revenue has been declining for quite some time, and the discovery that contests can be quite lucrative has obviously been used, and maybe abused to boost revenue. Extending deadlines, and holding a new contest almost every month, for (often) desperate photographers eager to break into the industry is a sure fire way to bring in cash...a least for a while.

Eventually though, the number of contests dilutes the value they once held with photographers. As long as the quality remains high, and some big names enter, it&#039;s likely they&#039;ll be able to make a lot of money this way. It&#039;d actually behoove the publications to allow the big names to enter for free, or even pay some of them. The opportunity for a new photographer to have a winner in with a big name...priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure PDN&#8217;s ad revenue has been declining for quite some time, and the discovery that contests can be quite lucrative has obviously been used, and maybe abused to boost revenue. Extending deadlines, and holding a new contest almost every month, for (often) desperate photographers eager to break into the industry is a sure fire way to bring in cash&#8230;a least for a while.</p>
<p>Eventually though, the number of contests dilutes the value they once held with photographers. As long as the quality remains high, and some big names enter, it&#8217;s likely they&#8217;ll be able to make a lot of money this way. It&#8217;d actually behoove the publications to allow the big names to enter for free, or even pay some of them. The opportunity for a new photographer to have a winner in with a big name&#8230;priceless.</p>
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		<dc:creator>dr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gerard Kingma, that&#039;s great feedback you&#039;re getting but you&#039;re right nothing is automatic here, like your pictures you have to get this info in front of the people who make the buying decisions.  It will impress some and mean nothing to others but they&#039;re not going to know anything unless you tell/show them.

God I&#039;m sounding like some wise old fart which is correct on 2 counts anyway..

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gerard Kingma, that&#8217;s great feedback you&#8217;re getting but you&#8217;re right nothing is automatic here, like your pictures you have to get this info in front of the people who make the buying decisions.  It will impress some and mean nothing to others but they&#8217;re not going to know anything unless you tell/show them.</p>
<p>God I&#8217;m sounding like some wise old fart which is correct on 2 counts anyway..</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: StarMaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>StarMaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking of a new revenue stream for 2009.  Might run a photo contest myself . 

Roll up...Roll up... you too could win the coveted SoTY* 2009

1) I&#039;ll give 50% discount to &quot;early entries&quot; that way I cover my limited costs quickly.  

2) If we&#039;re nearing the entry deadline and the profit figures need a boost I&#039;ll extend it a month or even two due to &quot;unprecedented demand&quot;.  

3) Nice low key unpromoted website for the winners

4) There will be a book but nobody will ever see one unless they pay for it (btw its print on demand to keep overheads low). 

How does that sound?  




*Sucker of The Year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking of a new revenue stream for 2009.  Might run a photo contest myself . </p>
<p>Roll up&#8230;Roll up&#8230; you too could win the coveted SoTY* 2009</p>
<p>1) I&#8217;ll give 50% discount to &#8220;early entries&#8221; that way I cover my limited costs quickly.  </p>
<p>2) If we&#8217;re nearing the entry deadline and the profit figures need a boost I&#8217;ll extend it a month or even two due to &#8220;unprecedented demand&#8221;.  </p>
<p>3) Nice low key unpromoted website for the winners</p>
<p>4) There will be a book but nobody will ever see one unless they pay for it (btw its print on demand to keep overheads low). </p>
<p>How does that sound?  </p>
<p>*Sucker of The Year</p>
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