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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know of Brick Lane gallery in London? One of my friends got an invite to exibit from that gallery.Appreciate any information about that gallery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know of Brick Lane gallery in London? One of my friends got an invite to exibit from that gallery.Appreciate any information about that gallery.</p>
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		<title>By: ReD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just received an email from them today - like 10 minutes ago. 
Went online for reviews and here I am.

Good thing there&#039;s internet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just received an email from them today &#8211; like 10 minutes ago.<br />
Went online for reviews and here I am.</p>
<p>Good thing there&#8217;s internet!</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Titania, I&#039;m truly sorry to hear about your experience!

I received an email from Gora Gallery last week..and as usual when I get these I do a search on the internet with the gallery name and &#039;scam&#039;.  I also check out their website, which I have to say is pretty good..clean layout, well thought out.  But what you&#039;ve said above and everything else I&#039;ve come across on the internet pretty much seals Gora&#039;s fate for me.

My first thought when I get an email like the one printed above, is great! Someone&#039;s seen my work and thinks it&#039;s worthy.  My 2nd thought is...hmm how much do they want for this &#039;opportunity&#039;?

Last year I paid Artbelow £800 to &#039;exhibit&#039; two posters of paintings on the London Underground for 2 weeks..great..I knew what I was getting into.  But I had to push really hard to get the promised &#039;complimentary copy&#039; of the posters.  They initially sent me 2 very badly printed A3 copies..the colours were like mud and looked like they&#039;d been done on the office printer.  After a lot of outrage &amp; indignation on my part, they gave me full-sized copies (1m x 1.5m) as promised in the original application material.

The offer from Gallery Gora? It looked really good, up until I got down to the $2700 fee, so I know more than likely its not.  Dodgy sangria and friends of the artist won&#039;t get paintings sold, but then they&#039;ve already been paid, where&#039;s their incentive, why should they care?

I think I&#039;m in agreement with what a few people on here and elsewhere have said.  If a gallery believes the work will sell, they won&#039;t want vast quantities of money up front before they&#039;ll touch it.

Also, I&#039;ve learned to ask questions...lots of questions.

Thank you for posting, it really helps.  I can only hope despite what you said you saw at the previous openings, they provided great wine, music and clients and you sold loads of work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Titania, I&#8217;m truly sorry to hear about your experience!</p>
<p>I received an email from Gora Gallery last week..and as usual when I get these I do a search on the internet with the gallery name and &#8217;scam&#8217;.  I also check out their website, which I have to say is pretty good..clean layout, well thought out.  But what you&#8217;ve said above and everything else I&#8217;ve come across on the internet pretty much seals Gora&#8217;s fate for me.</p>
<p>My first thought when I get an email like the one printed above, is great! Someone&#8217;s seen my work and thinks it&#8217;s worthy.  My 2nd thought is&#8230;hmm how much do they want for this &#8216;opportunity&#8217;?</p>
<p>Last year I paid Artbelow £800 to &#8216;exhibit&#8217; two posters of paintings on the London Underground for 2 weeks..great..I knew what I was getting into.  But I had to push really hard to get the promised &#8216;complimentary copy&#8217; of the posters.  They initially sent me 2 very badly printed A3 copies..the colours were like mud and looked like they&#8217;d been done on the office printer.  After a lot of outrage &amp; indignation on my part, they gave me full-sized copies (1m x 1.5m) as promised in the original application material.</p>
<p>The offer from Gallery Gora? It looked really good, up until I got down to the $2700 fee, so I know more than likely its not.  Dodgy sangria and friends of the artist won&#8217;t get paintings sold, but then they&#8217;ve already been paid, where&#8217;s their incentive, why should they care?</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m in agreement with what a few people on here and elsewhere have said.  If a gallery believes the work will sell, they won&#8217;t want vast quantities of money up front before they&#8217;ll touch it.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve learned to ask questions&#8230;lots of questions.</p>
<p>Thank you for posting, it really helps.  I can only hope despite what you said you saw at the previous openings, they provided great wine, music and clients and you sold loads of work!</p>
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		<title>By: Titania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey people.  I am one of the suckers that got fooled by this. I&#039;m a Dutch painter and had never exhibited abroad before. I know it was incredibly stupid to sign up for something not knowing that it was. I have my opening on the 29th this month. Feel free to stop by and take a look. You&#039;ll be shocked. I saw the previous opening and it was horrible. About 20 people, mostly friends of the artists, and bad sangria. I&#039;m going to do my best to make the most of this but I am telling you it is a nightmare. If anyone has more information on this or experience with this place, please feel free to contact me because I really think it&#039;s time for this type of galleries to make way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey people.  I am one of the suckers that got fooled by this. I&#8217;m a Dutch painter and had never exhibited abroad before. I know it was incredibly stupid to sign up for something not knowing that it was. I have my opening on the 29th this month. Feel free to stop by and take a look. You&#8217;ll be shocked. I saw the previous opening and it was horrible. About 20 people, mostly friends of the artists, and bad sangria. I&#8217;m going to do my best to make the most of this but I am telling you it is a nightmare. If anyone has more information on this or experience with this place, please feel free to contact me because I really think it&#8217;s time for this type of galleries to make way.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick Cormier, Did you drop by the gallery?
Please email comments and or feedback.
Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick Cormier, Did you drop by the gallery?<br />
Please email comments and or feedback.<br />
Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nic,
They&#039;re 2 different business models and maechanisms, both making money from the art scene. I see paying to enter an award as different to paying to display your work in a gallery, even if winning photo ends up on a gallery wall. 
As a web developer I can dispell the myth that an online process is free. It’s safer not to assume that the web is an ultra cheap or free mechanism for anything beyond the basics.  Whereas it doesn&#039;t cost $60 to handle online entries an award show is almost always a business, so the people who organise them need a salary, judges might be paid or have expenses covered, etc... Where the money comes from differs but there’s still money needed from somewhere. Also I expect having an entry fee reduces the number of entries, which can be helpful! If it was free you’d have entered by now, correct? 
Plus profits aren&#039;t explicitly ethically bad things to have. Wouldn&#039;t we&#039;d all like to make a profit from what we do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nic,<br />
They&#8217;re 2 different business models and maechanisms, both making money from the art scene. I see paying to enter an award as different to paying to display your work in a gallery, even if winning photo ends up on a gallery wall.<br />
As a web developer I can dispell the myth that an online process is free. It’s safer not to assume that the web is an ultra cheap or free mechanism for anything beyond the basics.  Whereas it doesn&#8217;t cost $60 to handle online entries an award show is almost always a business, so the people who organise them need a salary, judges might be paid or have expenses covered, etc&#8230; Where the money comes from differs but there’s still money needed from somewhere. Also I expect having an entry fee reduces the number of entries, which can be helpful! If it was free you’d have entered by now, correct?<br />
Plus profits aren&#8217;t explicitly ethically bad things to have. Wouldn&#8217;t we&#8217;d all like to make a profit from what we do?</p>
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		<title>By: Photography Links - March 20, 2009 &#171; Photo Notes: Photography by Patty Hankins and Bill Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Photography Links - March 20, 2009 &#171; Photo Notes: Photography by Patty Hankins and Bill Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Photo Editor has a warning about A Gallery Will Exhibit Your Work if You Pay Them [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Msaon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Msaon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Raymod St Arnaud, 

This is exactly right.  

I&#039;ve advised a few artists this same thing, and they always come back with &#039;but it gets exposure.&#039;  Exactly the kind of exposure you don&#039;t want.

Furthermore, a gallery is first and foremost a business.  Once they have your money up front, they have NO INCENTIVE to sell your work afterwards, as the cost/benefit ratio doesn&#039;t add up for their effort.  And the icing on the cake, once they have your money, their profits are maximized by spending the least amount possible on promotion.  Basically, they&#039;ll promote as little as they can get away with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Raymod St Arnaud, </p>
<p>This is exactly right.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve advised a few artists this same thing, and they always come back with &#8216;but it gets exposure.&#8217;  Exactly the kind of exposure you don&#8217;t want.</p>
<p>Furthermore, a gallery is first and foremost a business.  Once they have your money up front, they have NO INCENTIVE to sell your work afterwards, as the cost/benefit ratio doesn&#8217;t add up for their effort.  And the icing on the cake, once they have your money, their profits are maximized by spending the least amount possible on promotion.  Basically, they&#8217;ll promote as little as they can get away with.</p>
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		<title>By: dvafoto - M. Scott Brauer and Matt Lutton &#8250; Money flows toward (the photographer)</title>
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		<dc:creator>dvafoto - M. Scott Brauer and Matt Lutton &#8250; Money flows toward (the photographer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new contest you&#8217;ve never heard of asks for a big fee, say it to yourself. When an art gallery asks for an exhibition fee, say it to yourself. When a magazine or organization asks for free pictures or, worse, asks you to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] new contest you&#8217;ve never heard of asks for a big fee, say it to yourself. When an art gallery asks for an exhibition fee, say it to yourself. When a magazine or organization asks for free pictures or, worse, asks you to [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Patrick Cormier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Cormier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Montreal! 

I will pass by this weekend and take a fee shots of the place!!

See Ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Montreal! </p>
<p>I will pass by this weekend and take a fee shots of the place!!</p>
<p>See Ya!</p>
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		<title>By: i.n.galbraith</title>
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		<dc:creator>i.n.galbraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a good little window.</description>
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		<title>By: canadada</title>
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		<dc:creator>canadada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. An &#039;exhibiton catalogue&#039; is generally written by a &#039;peer&#039; associate or the &#039;hosting&#039; gallery curator, not the artist ... Otherwise, it IS considered &#039;vanity press&#039; and is not respected or acknowledged by the broader  &#039;arts community&#039;. 

That said, this form of self promotion might work  with potential patrons, if they don&#039;t know what they are doing, or buying  ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. An &#8216;exhibiton catalogue&#8217; is generally written by a &#8216;peer&#8217; associate or the &#8216;hosting&#8217; gallery curator, not the artist &#8230; Otherwise, it IS considered &#8216;vanity press&#8217; and is not respected or acknowledged by the broader  &#8216;arts community&#8217;. </p>
<p>That said, this form of self promotion might work  with potential patrons, if they don&#8217;t know what they are doing, or buying  &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Japan, an artist can rent out a gallery, for the equivalent of USD$1,000 and up, and will be wholely responsible for promotion of the show as well as all the costs -- but doesn&#039;t have to pay a commission.  

For the high-end galleries that exhibit the big names, the arrangement is similar to that in the US, although I believe the commission may be higher, but I&#039;ll have to do some research to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Japan, an artist can rent out a gallery, for the equivalent of USD$1,000 and up, and will be wholely responsible for promotion of the show as well as all the costs &#8212; but doesn&#8217;t have to pay a commission.  </p>
<p>For the high-end galleries that exhibit the big names, the arrangement is similar to that in the US, although I believe the commission may be higher, but I&#8217;ll have to do some research to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: canadada</title>
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		<dc:creator>canadada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never heard of &#039;Gora Gallery&#039; and I&#039;m considered a respectably successful &#039;mid-career artist&#039;  in the &#039;art scene&#039; in &#039;Canada.  I&#039;d say they are more &#039;entrepeneurial&#039; then &#039;legit&#039;.  On the other hand, &#039;art fairs&#039; are very common as a means for displaying one&#039;s work. But, again, &#039;Gora&#039;s&#039; fees sound VERY HIGH and I&#039;d never send anyone a cheque, site unseen. If interested in exhibiting in Canada contact reputable and known galleries, check via artnet.org.

Also, it is my experience that a 50/50 split is not the norm. Dealers and galleries usually split 60/40 to the artist. And THEY are responsible for promo, opening, media coverage. However, it behooves the artist to tie in with all those things as much as possible. Again, in my experience, THEY pay for these things, not the artist.  I have noticed a change in this lately though. Galleries are TRYING to foist more of the expense onto the artist AND retain their cut.  Negotiate, and yes, get a contract that clearly states respective &#039;responsibilities&#039;.

The higher up the food chain the more the dealers/galleries will cover YOUR costs cuz they believe in you and can see their market ... Publically funded galleries in Canada offer an exhbition fee in keeping with CARFAC guidelines, and do all promo, including an &#039;exhbiition catalogue&#039;. ... It&#039;s generally  a long haul to get to this stage. Publically funded exhibitions only come after a good 10-15 years of exhbition history.

In my experience ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never heard of &#8216;Gora Gallery&#8217; and I&#8217;m considered a respectably successful &#8216;mid-career artist&#8217;  in the &#8216;art scene&#8217; in &#8216;Canada.  I&#8217;d say they are more &#8216;entrepeneurial&#8217; then &#8216;legit&#8217;.  On the other hand, &#8216;art fairs&#8217; are very common as a means for displaying one&#8217;s work. But, again, &#8216;Gora&#8217;s&#8217; fees sound VERY HIGH and I&#8217;d never send anyone a cheque, site unseen. If interested in exhibiting in Canada contact reputable and known galleries, check via artnet.org.</p>
<p>Also, it is my experience that a 50/50 split is not the norm. Dealers and galleries usually split 60/40 to the artist. And THEY are responsible for promo, opening, media coverage. However, it behooves the artist to tie in with all those things as much as possible. Again, in my experience, THEY pay for these things, not the artist.  I have noticed a change in this lately though. Galleries are TRYING to foist more of the expense onto the artist AND retain their cut.  Negotiate, and yes, get a contract that clearly states respective &#8216;responsibilities&#8217;.</p>
<p>The higher up the food chain the more the dealers/galleries will cover YOUR costs cuz they believe in you and can see their market &#8230; Publically funded galleries in Canada offer an exhbition fee in keeping with CARFAC guidelines, and do all promo, including an &#8216;exhbiition catalogue&#8217;. &#8230; It&#8217;s generally  a long haul to get to this stage. Publically funded exhibitions only come after a good 10-15 years of exhbition history.</p>
<p>In my experience &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alleh Photography, 

It&#039;s not a &quot;scam&quot; if they deliver all the things promised in their letter for the fee discussed.  But the deal they are offering is atypical when compared to most respectable galleries.  

This is basically a vanity publishing deal.  For a fee, you get a gallery show.  Is that horrible?  I suppose it depends on what you want.  It probably won&#039;t accelerate your career (and in some instances it might hurt).  But it probably will make you feel good (especially if you sell some work). 

As long as you understand the benefits/risks it boils down to a judgment call. It&#039;s not beyond belief that doing a show like this could give you the visibility that might lead to better things.  Most galleries are basically commodity brokers -- they invite artists who&#039;s work they think will sell.  They aren&#039;t always right.  

The sad part in this case is there are probably uninformed artists who might be swayed by this offer and wind up spending money for a gallery show that probably won&#039;t yield positive results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alleh Photography, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a &#8220;scam&#8221; if they deliver all the things promised in their letter for the fee discussed.  But the deal they are offering is atypical when compared to most respectable galleries.  </p>
<p>This is basically a vanity publishing deal.  For a fee, you get a gallery show.  Is that horrible?  I suppose it depends on what you want.  It probably won&#8217;t accelerate your career (and in some instances it might hurt).  But it probably will make you feel good (especially if you sell some work). </p>
<p>As long as you understand the benefits/risks it boils down to a judgment call. It&#8217;s not beyond belief that doing a show like this could give you the visibility that might lead to better things.  Most galleries are basically commodity brokers &#8212; they invite artists who&#8217;s work they think will sell.  They aren&#8217;t always right.  </p>
<p>The sad part in this case is there are probably uninformed artists who might be swayed by this offer and wind up spending money for a gallery show that probably won&#8217;t yield positive results.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymod St Arnaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymod St Arnaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gora in Montreal and Agora in New York have been making these offers for years. They are the kiss of death for an artist, as  curators that count for anything in the art world, know how they operate and therefore discount anyone who has shown in their spaces. 

If you have exhibited with them in the past, delete them from your resume.

There may be some catchet to being able to say to your local audience &quot;I exhibited in NY/Montreal&quot;, but make sure your not talking to someone who knows the backstory.

I was tempted by offers from both over 5 years ago. Once I controlled the ego boost and investigated, it was a simple walk away from this tree of false knowledge.

Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gora in Montreal and Agora in New York have been making these offers for years. They are the kiss of death for an artist, as  curators that count for anything in the art world, know how they operate and therefore discount anyone who has shown in their spaces. </p>
<p>If you have exhibited with them in the past, delete them from your resume.</p>
<p>There may be some catchet to being able to say to your local audience &#8220;I exhibited in NY/Montreal&#8221;, but make sure your not talking to someone who knows the backstory.</p>
<p>I was tempted by offers from both over 5 years ago. Once I controlled the ego boost and investigated, it was a simple walk away from this tree of false knowledge.</p>
<p>Ray</p>
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		<title>By: Alleh Photography</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alleh Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So maybe I missed it but is this scam or just a horrible deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So maybe I missed it but is this scam or just a horrible deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does this differ in spirit from the &quot;Hey Hot Shot&quot; competition? 

http://www.heyhotshot.com/

Their competition is not quite a pay-to-play scheme like this Montreal gallery. Instead, you pay $60 for the opportunity to have three pictures put in front of  a panel and *possibly* chosen for exhibition at the Jen Beckman gallery. There are 5 winners, they are given a group show and they are each given a $500 award (though the photographer incurs the cost of &quot;producing and framing their work, as well as shipping it to/from the gallery&quot;). According to their website, this competition runs 2-4 times a year.

Does it really cost $60 to handle the online entries? I can&#039;t find how many people enter the contest but the gallery would need at least 42 entrants to cover the winners&#039; honorarium. I assume more than 42 people enter the contest. Subtract web costs (because you enter online), wine costs (for the gallery opening) and the rest seems like profit (unless they pay the judging panel). 

Am I tempted to enter? Yes, I&#039;d like the exposure. Am I conflicted about it? Yes, because photographers pay $60 apiece for the gallery to scout new talent--which kinda seems like the gallery&#039;s job in the first place. Will I enter? Dunno yet.

At least with the Montreal gallery, if you pay your $150 you&#039;re *guaranteed* placement in a group show.

Both situations rub me the wrong way.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this differ in spirit from the &#8220;Hey Hot Shot&#8221; competition? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.heyhotshot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.heyhotshot.com/</a></p>
<p>Their competition is not quite a pay-to-play scheme like this Montreal gallery. Instead, you pay $60 for the opportunity to have three pictures put in front of  a panel and *possibly* chosen for exhibition at the Jen Beckman gallery. There are 5 winners, they are given a group show and they are each given a $500 award (though the photographer incurs the cost of &#8220;producing and framing their work, as well as shipping it to/from the gallery&#8221;). According to their website, this competition runs 2-4 times a year.</p>
<p>Does it really cost $60 to handle the online entries? I can&#8217;t find how many people enter the contest but the gallery would need at least 42 entrants to cover the winners&#8217; honorarium. I assume more than 42 people enter the contest. Subtract web costs (because you enter online), wine costs (for the gallery opening) and the rest seems like profit (unless they pay the judging panel). </p>
<p>Am I tempted to enter? Yes, I&#8217;d like the exposure. Am I conflicted about it? Yes, because photographers pay $60 apiece for the gallery to scout new talent&#8211;which kinda seems like the gallery&#8217;s job in the first place. Will I enter? Dunno yet.</p>
<p>At least with the Montreal gallery, if you pay your $150 you&#8217;re *guaranteed* placement in a group show.</p>
<p>Both situations rub me the wrong way.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. In Atlanta, I started a photography non-profit for the sole purpose of providing new and upcoming photographers with the ability to exhibit and sell their work.

Where we vary from the place above is cost to participate. A single photo cost ranges from $27 to $40.  Our next upcoming exhibit, there is a flat cost of $27 per photo. I have 40+ photographers participating already.

We further differ by allowing the photographer to keep 100% of whatever they sell, minus any credit processing fees. Those fees are pass through, not in addition too. What we pay is what the artist pays.

Our model allows more people at lower cost to get experience and sell.

If you are interested, check out atlantaphotography.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. In Atlanta, I started a photography non-profit for the sole purpose of providing new and upcoming photographers with the ability to exhibit and sell their work.</p>
<p>Where we vary from the place above is cost to participate. A single photo cost ranges from $27 to $40.  Our next upcoming exhibit, there is a flat cost of $27 per photo. I have 40+ photographers participating already.</p>
<p>We further differ by allowing the photographer to keep 100% of whatever they sell, minus any credit processing fees. Those fees are pass through, not in addition too. What we pay is what the artist pays.</p>
<p>Our model allows more people at lower cost to get experience and sell.</p>
<p>If you are interested, check out atlantaphotography.org</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl Corey, I think there is a place for exhibiting art in public space (plenty of people might by your work but don&#039;t go to galleries at a regular basis) - but it has to be the right public space and it shouldn&#039;t cost the artist.

If it isn&#039;t costing anything, and you enjoy participating in your community, I don&#039;t see why you shouldn&#039;t put something in a local community center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carl Corey, I think there is a place for exhibiting art in public space (plenty of people might by your work but don&#8217;t go to galleries at a regular basis) &#8211; but it has to be the right public space and it shouldn&#8217;t cost the artist.</p>
<p>If it isn&#8217;t costing anything, and you enjoy participating in your community, I don&#8217;t see why you shouldn&#8217;t put something in a local community center.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how they graciously agree not to charge you a commission on the first $2,500 worth of sales.

There are quality retailers and those of dubious integrity in every business.  This offering doesn&#039;t surprise me at all.  And I suspect they&#039;ll do well with people who have the cash to fund a vanity gallery show.   

But serious buyers will probably figure out how this gallery is doing business and stay away.  So it will become a sucker-for-sucker deal  -- people will pay to have their work exhibited and sell prints to people who don&#039;t know any better.  I suppose if the gallery generates enough traffic that you sell more than $2,500 worth of prints, everyone goes away happy.  

I wonder is whether participating in this sort of arrangement would hurt your chances of being shown by legitimate galleries in the future?   Even more interesting, I wonder if anyone will be able to short circuit the current system by paying  a bunch of galleries to show their work, spend some more money on self promotion and voila, they are being revered as a great photographer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how they graciously agree not to charge you a commission on the first $2,500 worth of sales.</p>
<p>There are quality retailers and those of dubious integrity in every business.  This offering doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all.  And I suspect they&#8217;ll do well with people who have the cash to fund a vanity gallery show.   </p>
<p>But serious buyers will probably figure out how this gallery is doing business and stay away.  So it will become a sucker-for-sucker deal  &#8212; people will pay to have their work exhibited and sell prints to people who don&#8217;t know any better.  I suppose if the gallery generates enough traffic that you sell more than $2,500 worth of prints, everyone goes away happy.  </p>
<p>I wonder is whether participating in this sort of arrangement would hurt your chances of being shown by legitimate galleries in the future?   Even more interesting, I wonder if anyone will be able to short circuit the current system by paying  a bunch of galleries to show their work, spend some more money on self promotion and voila, they are being revered as a great photographer.</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carl Corey, 
Excellent advice. Thanks.</description>
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Excellent advice. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Rood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Rood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s worse are the emails from &quot;photo consultants&quot; who want you to pay them large amounts of money on a monthly basis to promote and sell your work and then take a 50% commission on sales on top of that. Not cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s worse are the emails from &#8220;photo consultants&#8221; who want you to pay them large amounts of money on a monthly basis to promote and sell your work and then take a 50% commission on sales on top of that. Not cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make the majority of my income from print sales made thru the galleries that represent me. This being said only to establish a little pedigree in the industry. 

The pay per exhibit model has been around for years. While some may actually be credible, providing good exposure to the artist, I employ a policy never to pay for exhibiting, framing, or shipping. If a gallery is successful they do not require funding from the artist as their patrons and clients will provide the necessary income.  These vanity gallery venues are not dissimilar from some publishing models requiring the artist to absorb production costs for their monographs.  If the publisher believes in the work they will produce the work and market it at their expense knowing that the return on investment is in the content.

Public venues  ( art centers, small museums, public space ) are not dissimilar to the pay per exhibit model if they require costs for presentation be borne by the artist with out any guarantee of financial return. I also recommend avoiding these. Be assured the curators and directors of these public venues are receiving an income while you provide  a free venue for there community. If they see the value they will pay costs.

I do take issue with the analogy of galleries to art stores. Good gallery representation goes way beyond simply fulfilling the transaction or recommending work. There is a concerted focus, promotional capabilities, relationships, credibility, and most of all trust that a good gallery puts forth on your behalf. Well worth the commissions they receive in exchange for those qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make the majority of my income from print sales made thru the galleries that represent me. This being said only to establish a little pedigree in the industry. </p>
<p>The pay per exhibit model has been around for years. While some may actually be credible, providing good exposure to the artist, I employ a policy never to pay for exhibiting, framing, or shipping. If a gallery is successful they do not require funding from the artist as their patrons and clients will provide the necessary income.  These vanity gallery venues are not dissimilar from some publishing models requiring the artist to absorb production costs for their monographs.  If the publisher believes in the work they will produce the work and market it at their expense knowing that the return on investment is in the content.</p>
<p>Public venues  ( art centers, small museums, public space ) are not dissimilar to the pay per exhibit model if they require costs for presentation be borne by the artist with out any guarantee of financial return. I also recommend avoiding these. Be assured the curators and directors of these public venues are receiving an income while you provide  a free venue for there community. If they see the value they will pay costs.</p>
<p>I do take issue with the analogy of galleries to art stores. Good gallery representation goes way beyond simply fulfilling the transaction or recommending work. There is a concerted focus, promotional capabilities, relationships, credibility, and most of all trust that a good gallery puts forth on your behalf. Well worth the commissions they receive in exchange for those qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: el cinesajista</title>
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		<dc:creator>el cinesajista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You love your dealer like you love the produce guy&quot;

I&#039;m so lucky my produce guy is a girl and tend to agree with MOA (modern art obsession) that she is also a hottie. I also like the analogy because now I can tell people to stop by and feel how ripe my melons are. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You love your dealer like you love the produce guy&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so lucky my produce guy is a girl and tend to agree with MOA (modern art obsession) that she is also a hottie. I also like the analogy because now I can tell people to stop by and feel how ripe my melons are. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Frieden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Frieden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see how these types of venues unfold in the future.</description>
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		<title>By: anooon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anooon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian Patterson had a post about this on his blog. Too bad he erased the archives when he chose to stop blogging....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian Patterson had a post about this on his blog. Too bad he erased the archives when he chose to stop blogging&#8230;.</p>
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