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	<title>Comments on: Utah Sticks It To All Their Photographers</title>
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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: Sondra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sondra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is by far the most corrupt state I&#039;ve ever lived in!  From the very bottom to the highest levels, I have NEVER observed anything like this garbage.  I&#039;m already looking for other locations to move to.  Over-taxation, corruption, control; if you&#039;re not aware, residents of Utah cannot even go online and purchase from the Internet wines and even adult magazines and have them mailed to this state.  This IS a photographers nightmare....so beautiful...so dark and wicked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is by far the most corrupt state I&#8217;ve ever lived in!  From the very bottom to the highest levels, I have NEVER observed anything like this garbage.  I&#8217;m already looking for other locations to move to.  Over-taxation, corruption, control; if you&#8217;re not aware, residents of Utah cannot even go online and purchase from the Internet wines and even adult magazines and have them mailed to this state.  This IS a photographers nightmare&#8230;.so beautiful&#8230;so dark and wicked.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should fight the retroactive part.  It&#039;s unconstitutional.   If people just lie down and take it, they will continue to dish bs like this out until everyone is either dead or living in dumpsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should fight the retroactive part.  It&#8217;s unconstitutional.   If people just lie down and take it, they will continue to dish bs like this out until everyone is either dead or living in dumpsters.</p>
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		<title>By: nick chatterton</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick chatterton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Al, nah have you noticed that in utah unless you are a major corporation or chain you got a snow balls chance in hell of surviving there... not just photographers... everyone. which pisses me off when i&#039;m trying to find a good restaurant to eat at</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Al, nah have you noticed that in utah unless you are a major corporation or chain you got a snow balls chance in hell of surviving there&#8230; not just photographers&#8230; everyone. which pisses me off when i&#8217;m trying to find a good restaurant to eat at</p>
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		<title>By: greg ceo</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg ceo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Toby, 

Is there an official position taken by ASMP Georgia on what photographers need to collect sales tax on?  I am new to the State of GA and did most of my work out of state until recently.  I began shooting for a magazine here, read the blog and posts here and contacted the GA State Sales Tax Dept.  They said they had to do some research and then after researching this basically stated that I must collect sales tax on assignments done within the state of GA for the entire amount invoiced UNLESS the images are delivered electronically.  If I give them a disc or a hard drive, I MUST COLLECT SALES TAX on the entire shoot: props, hair and make-up, creative fees, everything;  FTP Upload = NO SALES TAX.  Of course, the magazines and accountants for the magazines said they had never heard of such a thing, even when I quoted directly from e mails from the State Tax Department.  So I wanted to know if other photographers in the state of GA have had other experiences and how they deal with clients that think they don&#039;t owe the tax and refuse to pay?  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Toby, </p>
<p>Is there an official position taken by ASMP Georgia on what photographers need to collect sales tax on?  I am new to the State of GA and did most of my work out of state until recently.  I began shooting for a magazine here, read the blog and posts here and contacted the GA State Sales Tax Dept.  They said they had to do some research and then after researching this basically stated that I must collect sales tax on assignments done within the state of GA for the entire amount invoiced UNLESS the images are delivered electronically.  If I give them a disc or a hard drive, I MUST COLLECT SALES TAX on the entire shoot: props, hair and make-up, creative fees, everything;  FTP Upload = NO SALES TAX.  Of course, the magazines and accountants for the magazines said they had never heard of such a thing, even when I quoted directly from e mails from the State Tax Department.  So I wanted to know if other photographers in the state of GA have had other experiences and how they deal with clients that think they don&#8217;t owe the tax and refuse to pay?  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: calanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>calanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@frank, just clarify I&#039;m certainly not getting away with not collecting sales tax.  When I started the business in mid-2008 I asked both state agencies and other UT photographers about what sales tax I would need to collect given my business model and was told none.  In late-2008 I heard rumors of a possible sales tax crackdown so I signed up for the next available state course on sales tax, which was in Jan 2009.  Again, in that class I was reassured I needed to collect no sales tax so I later filed $0 for my 2008 sales tax.  Receiving this audit and being told that I needed to collect retroactively stings, not only because I had been advised otherwise but now I have to pay that sales tax out my own pocket.  Live and learn I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@frank, just clarify I&#8217;m certainly not getting away with not collecting sales tax.  When I started the business in mid-2008 I asked both state agencies and other UT photographers about what sales tax I would need to collect given my business model and was told none.  In late-2008 I heard rumors of a possible sales tax crackdown so I signed up for the next available state course on sales tax, which was in Jan 2009.  Again, in that class I was reassured I needed to collect no sales tax so I later filed $0 for my 2008 sales tax.  Receiving this audit and being told that I needed to collect retroactively stings, not only because I had been advised otherwise but now I have to pay that sales tax out my own pocket.  Live and learn I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@calanan, ...just wondering how you can get away with not charging sales tax when the Utah Tax Commission clearly states that photos sold for use in magazines are taxable...and that tangible personal property includes anything that can be &quot;seen, measured, felt or touched.&quot;  I do virtual tours, and all jobs are posted to the internet...yet I charge (and pay) sales tax on every tour based on the Tax Commission&#039;s published guidelines.  I will soon be doing virtual tours in Colorado...and have been told by the involved local jurisdictions that I do NOT need to collect sales tax on any virtual tour sales that are simply posted online...but do need to charge sales tax if I provide a CD to the client.  They have a different definition of &quot;tangible.&quot;  I think this self-audit sucks too...Utah is, in fact, sticking it to their photographers.  It seems that the state wants us to collect tax on every single aspect of our business...yet gives seemingly unfair tax breaks to the video industry. Does that mean I can get a refund on the sales tax I paid on a couple of 5D Mark II cameras earlier this year if I claim that they are primarily used to produce videos? Could a virtual tour be construed as a &quot;motion picture&quot;?  After all, it is a picture that moves.  There are too many ambiquities here and a better approach would have been to clarify photographers&#039; tax liabilities before &quot;sticking it to us&quot; and making it retroactive for 3 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@calanan, &#8230;just wondering how you can get away with not charging sales tax when the Utah Tax Commission clearly states that photos sold for use in magazines are taxable&#8230;and that tangible personal property includes anything that can be &#8220;seen, measured, felt or touched.&#8221;  I do virtual tours, and all jobs are posted to the internet&#8230;yet I charge (and pay) sales tax on every tour based on the Tax Commission&#8217;s published guidelines.  I will soon be doing virtual tours in Colorado&#8230;and have been told by the involved local jurisdictions that I do NOT need to collect sales tax on any virtual tour sales that are simply posted online&#8230;but do need to charge sales tax if I provide a CD to the client.  They have a different definition of &#8220;tangible.&#8221;  I think this self-audit sucks too&#8230;Utah is, in fact, sticking it to their photographers.  It seems that the state wants us to collect tax on every single aspect of our business&#8230;yet gives seemingly unfair tax breaks to the video industry. Does that mean I can get a refund on the sales tax I paid on a couple of 5D Mark II cameras earlier this year if I claim that they are primarily used to produce videos? Could a virtual tour be construed as a &#8220;motion picture&#8221;?  After all, it is a picture that moves.  There are too many ambiquities here and a better approach would have been to clarify photographers&#8217; tax liabilities before &#8220;sticking it to us&#8221; and making it retroactive for 3 years.</p>
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		<title>By: calanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>calanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just adding my story:

I am one of the many UT photographers who recently received this self-audit and I did submit my sales and use tax return with no sales tax collected.  The bulk of my work is editorial for local magazines with all images delivered via FTP - likewise for the few portrait sessions I shot last year those images were also delivered electronically.

On 28 Jan 2009 I attended a Utah Sales and Use Tax Workshop held at the Tax Commission in Salt Lake City and hosted by a Sales/Use Tax Trainer a Collection/Compliance Specialist.  In that class I specifically asked about my type of photography and I was told without doubt that as photography was a service those portions of my sales were certainly not taxable.  The UT Tax representatives were both unclear about the sales of my images as I don&#039;t sell prints rather I deliver the images to clients solely via FTP electronic transfer and thus may not have been considered tangible goods.  After some investigation I was later told that based on the description of my business I did not need to collect any tax on my sales.  Further, they did advise that should I sell prints in the future that I should be sure to itemise my invoices as such, as sales tax would only need to be collected on the print sales portion of the sale; If I invoiced as a single item and prints were involved then I would need to collect sales tax on the whole sale.

- mike
Calanan Photography, LCC
SLC, UT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just adding my story:</p>
<p>I am one of the many UT photographers who recently received this self-audit and I did submit my sales and use tax return with no sales tax collected.  The bulk of my work is editorial for local magazines with all images delivered via FTP &#8211; likewise for the few portrait sessions I shot last year those images were also delivered electronically.</p>
<p>On 28 Jan 2009 I attended a Utah Sales and Use Tax Workshop held at the Tax Commission in Salt Lake City and hosted by a Sales/Use Tax Trainer a Collection/Compliance Specialist.  In that class I specifically asked about my type of photography and I was told without doubt that as photography was a service those portions of my sales were certainly not taxable.  The UT Tax representatives were both unclear about the sales of my images as I don&#8217;t sell prints rather I deliver the images to clients solely via FTP electronic transfer and thus may not have been considered tangible goods.  After some investigation I was later told that based on the description of my business I did not need to collect any tax on my sales.  Further, they did advise that should I sell prints in the future that I should be sure to itemise my invoices as such, as sales tax would only need to be collected on the print sales portion of the sale; If I invoiced as a single item and prints were involved then I would need to collect sales tax on the whole sale.</p>
<p>- mike<br />
Calanan Photography, LCC<br />
SLC, UT</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Tips for Part-Time Photographers &#124; Ivan Makarov - Photography Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40705</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax Tips for Part-Time Photographers &#124; Ivan Makarov - Photography Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What are the Risks of Claiming a Loss on Your Return? This is the biggest issue to consider. Filing Schedule C, and especially using expenses or a net loss to offset your ordinary income is something that frequently triggers an audit of your tax return by the IRS. You simply should expect to get a letter from the IRS or from your state asking you to provide documentation and evidence for the positions taken on your tax return. With budget deficit projected to reach the level of $10 trillion, we&#8217;re expecting that the tax audits of individual returns will increase considerably in the coming years, since someone has to pay for it all. In addition, some returns get selected for audits at random, and it is always a good idea to have your tax files in good condition before you actually file the return. For example, good luck to you if you&#8217;re a photographer trying to make a living in Utah. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] What are the Risks of Claiming a Loss on Your Return? This is the biggest issue to consider. Filing Schedule C, and especially using expenses or a net loss to offset your ordinary income is something that frequently triggers an audit of your tax return by the IRS. You simply should expect to get a letter from the IRS or from your state asking you to provide documentation and evidence for the positions taken on your tax return. With budget deficit projected to reach the level of $10 trillion, we&#8217;re expecting that the tax audits of individual returns will increase considerably in the coming years, since someone has to pay for it all. In addition, some returns get selected for audits at random, and it is always a good idea to have your tax files in good condition before you actually file the return. For example, good luck to you if you&#8217;re a photographer trying to make a living in Utah. [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Met Dilsiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Met Dilsiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether we like it or not, the bottom line is that we need to fill this form out at this time.  

However, I strongly believe that we need to form a lobby for photographers.  I don&#039;t believe that there is one and that makes us very vulnerable against the policy makers.

I will have to blog about this and find support from fellow photographers in order to fight this.

Please feel free to contact me, if you can contribute in any ways to fight back on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether we like it or not, the bottom line is that we need to fill this form out at this time.  </p>
<p>However, I strongly believe that we need to form a lobby for photographers.  I don&#8217;t believe that there is one and that makes us very vulnerable against the policy makers.</p>
<p>I will have to blog about this and find support from fellow photographers in order to fight this.</p>
<p>Please feel free to contact me, if you can contribute in any ways to fight back on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: imajes</title>
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		<dc:creator>imajes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;United&#039; States - who ever come up with that name for a country made up of States who have different rules for just about everything was a bit of a numpty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;United&#8217; States &#8211; who ever come up with that name for a country made up of States who have different rules for just about everything was a bit of a numpty.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It recalls the short-lived tax on photographs imposed near the end of the Civil War (April 1, 1865 to July 31, 1866). This tax infuriated photographers because it required them to affix revenue adhesive stamps to each photograph, dramatically reducing their productivity as well as increasing their overhead.

A sample carte de visite (CDV) from the studio of prominent Cleveland portrait photographer Edgar Decker with attached revenue stamp on the back can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningba/3348416476/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It recalls the short-lived tax on photographs imposed near the end of the Civil War (April 1, 1865 to July 31, 1866). This tax infuriated photographers because it required them to affix revenue adhesive stamps to each photograph, dramatically reducing their productivity as well as increasing their overhead.</p>
<p>A sample carte de visite (CDV) from the studio of prominent Cleveland portrait photographer Edgar Decker with attached revenue stamp on the back can be seen at <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningba/3348416476/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/cunningba/3348416476/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason for this tax is because Utah is having $$ issues and they want to collect more tax.... I guess being so religious of a state finally backfired on them....

Now you can go to a bar without being a member and drink more the state gets more tax, before you needed to pay a membership fee at every bar/club so visitors wouldnt visit many places. 

So photogs. get screwed by getting taxed as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for this tax is because Utah is having $$ issues and they want to collect more tax&#8230;. I guess being so religious of a state finally backfired on them&#8230;.</p>
<p>Now you can go to a bar without being a member and drink more the state gets more tax, before you needed to pay a membership fee at every bar/club so visitors wouldnt visit many places. </p>
<p>So photogs. get screwed by getting taxed as well.</p>
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		<title>By: PhotoWalkPro » Friday Odds and Ends</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhotoWalkPro » Friday Odds and Ends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I saw a story over at A Photo Editor on the tax legislation that is aimed at the photographic profession.  It seems that even though photography is a service, they feel that you are still selling a product for which they are due taxes.  This includes the licensing of photographs.  Like it&#8217;s not hard enough already to make a decent buck with your camera.  To see the state tax FAQ, check out the full article at A Photo Editor. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] I saw a story over at A Photo Editor on the tax legislation that is aimed at the photographic profession.  It seems that even though photography is a service, they feel that you are still selling a product for which they are due taxes.  This includes the licensing of photographs.  Like it&#8217;s not hard enough already to make a decent buck with your camera.  To see the state tax FAQ, check out the full article at A Photo Editor. [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Send another one in</title>
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		<dc:creator>Send another one in</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andre Friedmann, 

It does not matter if you obey the laws and have the written clarification.

Virginia audited every photographer in the state.  Even the ones that were doing it right by the books, were found to be doing it wrong, unless they appealed and were given an &quot;clarification&quot;.

I wish you the best of luck and you do not need permission from anyone to state your opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andre Friedmann, </p>
<p>It does not matter if you obey the laws and have the written clarification.</p>
<p>Virginia audited every photographer in the state.  Even the ones that were doing it right by the books, were found to be doing it wrong, unless they appealed and were given an &#8220;clarification&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wish you the best of luck and you do not need permission from anyone to state your opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Friedmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Friedmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mother Mary,
Allow me to predict my business&#039;s future:  not gonna happen.  We obey the laws, and we&#039;ve gotten more than a few written clarifications from our state&#039;s sales tax people.  Those written clarifications are a vital insurance.  
Allow me to describe my own state&#039;s laws:  possible to comprehend by anyone with genuine 12th grade reading skills, skills applied over the course of no more than a couple of hours during that first year of business.
Allow me to comment about conflicting advice:  happens all the time, whether in person or over the phone.  It&#039;s why we create *written* correspondence.  We &quot;get it in writing.&quot;
Allow me to comment about enforcement in my state:  yup, no new laws, only more aggressive enforcement of existing tax laws.
Allow me to comment about &quot;the very real possibility&quot;:  Richard Hofstadter&#039;s &quot;The Paranoid Style in American Politics&quot; is no basis for conducting business.

Now allow me to comment about photographers&#039; business practices in the matter of sales tax:  all over the map, with lots of violations.  There&#039;s nothing quite like hearing a photographer tell me what our state&#039;s sales tax laws *should* be, and running his business on that basis, even though it&#039;s contrary to sales tax law.  And there&#039;s nothing more common than a photographer attempting to &quot;fly under the radar&quot; as he neglects to register, neglects to file, neglects to remit.  That&#039;s the commonplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mother Mary,<br />
Allow me to predict my business&#8217;s future:  not gonna happen.  We obey the laws, and we&#8217;ve gotten more than a few written clarifications from our state&#8217;s sales tax people.  Those written clarifications are a vital insurance.<br />
Allow me to describe my own state&#8217;s laws:  possible to comprehend by anyone with genuine 12th grade reading skills, skills applied over the course of no more than a couple of hours during that first year of business.<br />
Allow me to comment about conflicting advice:  happens all the time, whether in person or over the phone.  It&#8217;s why we create *written* correspondence.  We &#8220;get it in writing.&#8221;<br />
Allow me to comment about enforcement in my state:  yup, no new laws, only more aggressive enforcement of existing tax laws.<br />
Allow me to comment about &#8220;the very real possibility&#8221;:  Richard Hofstadter&#8217;s &#8220;The Paranoid Style in American Politics&#8221; is no basis for conducting business.</p>
<p>Now allow me to comment about photographers&#8217; business practices in the matter of sales tax:  all over the map, with lots of violations.  There&#8217;s nothing quite like hearing a photographer tell me what our state&#8217;s sales tax laws *should* be, and running his business on that basis, even though it&#8217;s contrary to sales tax law.  And there&#8217;s nothing more common than a photographer attempting to &#8220;fly under the radar&#8221; as he neglects to register, neglects to file, neglects to remit.  That&#8217;s the commonplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,
If Utah is taxing photographers for the intangible, does that mean we can insure our digital files for the cost of its production and market value? 
I mean, if money/income can be taxed and insured (FDIC), items purchased or sold can be taxed and insured (Cars, cameras,paintings, etc etc) then doesn&#039;t logic say that if my service/product as a photographer is taxable then it must be insurable. 
If so, do you think the insurance companies will be ever so happy to hear that I am adding all my images from 2008 onto my policy, they cost me close to 150,000 dollars to compile, and they sell on average for $350-2000. So, I hope I do not lose  the 6000 images I have on my hard drive  because of theft or fire or flood. If I am paying taxes on it I sure as hell want it protected.

I would love some feedback on this? Any attorneys in the house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
If Utah is taxing photographers for the intangible, does that mean we can insure our digital files for the cost of its production and market value?<br />
I mean, if money/income can be taxed and insured (FDIC), items purchased or sold can be taxed and insured (Cars, cameras,paintings, etc etc) then doesn&#8217;t logic say that if my service/product as a photographer is taxable then it must be insurable.<br />
If so, do you think the insurance companies will be ever so happy to hear that I am adding all my images from 2008 onto my policy, they cost me close to 150,000 dollars to compile, and they sell on average for $350-2000. So, I hope I do not lose  the 6000 images I have on my hard drive  because of theft or fire or flood. If I am paying taxes on it I sure as hell want it protected.</p>
<p>I would love some feedback on this? Any attorneys in the house?</p>
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		<title>By: Mother Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40340</link>
		<dc:creator>Mother Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andre Friedmann, 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;It’s difficult to sympathize.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Will you feel the same way when you are under pressure from the state to pay taxes for something the state told you was not taxable?

The problem here is the states offer (much like the Feds) conflicting advice, counsel and a set of rules that are unreadable or understandable.

There is a southern state that says prints are taxable but polaroids are not, that portrait photographs shot in a studio are, but if they are delivered to a client they are not.

Are you so sure they are enforcing laws they&#039;ve had on the books for years?  The very real possibility is that they are looking for new sources of revenue in this downturn and feel that the laws can be &quot;adjusted&quot;  to their favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andre Friedmann, </p>
<p><i>&#8220;It’s difficult to sympathize.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Will you feel the same way when you are under pressure from the state to pay taxes for something the state told you was not taxable?</p>
<p>The problem here is the states offer (much like the Feds) conflicting advice, counsel and a set of rules that are unreadable or understandable.</p>
<p>There is a southern state that says prints are taxable but polaroids are not, that portrait photographs shot in a studio are, but if they are delivered to a client they are not.</p>
<p>Are you so sure they are enforcing laws they&#8217;ve had on the books for years?  The very real possibility is that they are looking for new sources of revenue in this downturn and feel that the laws can be &#8220;adjusted&#8221;  to their favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Friedmann</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40334</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre Friedmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utah&#039;s only enforcing old tax laws, laws they&#039;ve had for many years.

The revenue-raising opportunity for Utah (and for New York and California and Illinois and Georgia and Insert Your State&#039;s Name Here) lies in enforcing *existing* laws.  Some photographers are scofflaws when it comes to sales taxes and payroll taxes and labor laws, including workers&#039; comp and unemployment.

It&#039;s difficult to sympathize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utah&#8217;s only enforcing old tax laws, laws they&#8217;ve had for many years.</p>
<p>The revenue-raising opportunity for Utah (and for New York and California and Illinois and Georgia and Insert Your State&#8217;s Name Here) lies in enforcing *existing* laws.  Some photographers are scofflaws when it comes to sales taxes and payroll taxes and labor laws, including workers&#8217; comp and unemployment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult to sympathize.</p>
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		<title>By: photogswife</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40319</link>
		<dc:creator>photogswife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@narayan, what Utah sent out says consulting is specifically excluded (as are sitting fees if no prints are purchased). However, it looks like anything that you bill for that results in a better print sold (make-up, travel, sitting fees, hourly fees, photoshop time, etc.) is taxed as part of the &quot;total price&quot; of the _product_. So you better be able to prove no image or product (physical or digital) changed hands to go this route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@narayan, what Utah sent out says consulting is specifically excluded (as are sitting fees if no prints are purchased). However, it looks like anything that you bill for that results in a better print sold (make-up, travel, sitting fees, hourly fees, photoshop time, etc.) is taxed as part of the &#8220;total price&#8221; of the _product_. So you better be able to prove no image or product (physical or digital) changed hands to go this route.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40315</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg Ceo, 

Yes, you are correct.  And much of international copyright law has been written to suit the Disney Corporation.

Hooray for Hollywood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg Ceo, </p>
<p>Yes, you are correct.  And much of international copyright law has been written to suit the Disney Corporation.</p>
<p>Hooray for Hollywood.</p>
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		<title>By: 1 More for the rodeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>1 More for the rodeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is time to seriously consider an incorporation in Delaware with everything - all purchases run through a Delaware office, all invoices to clients, every service billed through the Delaware office and you the owner are an employee of a Delaware corporation.

There are companies in Delaware that set-up offices to handle the billing, delivery, everything.  Hell with what you save on taxes you could afford to fly there every few months to collect your gear that you recently purchased and is owned by a Delaware corporation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is time to seriously consider an incorporation in Delaware with everything &#8211; all purchases run through a Delaware office, all invoices to clients, every service billed through the Delaware office and you the owner are an employee of a Delaware corporation.</p>
<p>There are companies in Delaware that set-up offices to handle the billing, delivery, everything.  Hell with what you save on taxes you could afford to fly there every few months to collect your gear that you recently purchased and is owned by a Delaware corporation.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ceo</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40292</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ceo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@john mcd., 

&quot;If you deliver a job electronically, via an ethernet cable, an e-mail or an FTP transfer then there is no sales tax due.&quot;

This is because cinemas showing films in CA and NY that were going to be beamed down from satelites to theaters did not want to be taxed.  The law was written this way for the film industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@john mcd., </p>
<p>&#8220;If you deliver a job electronically, via an ethernet cable, an e-mail or an FTP transfer then there is no sales tax due.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is because cinemas showing films in CA and NY that were going to be beamed down from satelites to theaters did not want to be taxed.  The law was written this way for the film industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ceo</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40291</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Ceo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike, 
The specifics for NY are long and complex, but go something like this: The end user needs to pay the sales tax unless the final product is delivered out of state.  You can claim tax exemption status on gear, if it is used in the production of a &quot;Film.&quot;  Since there is no specific laws written for photography, it is my understanding that the film law applies.  There are no sales taxes applied to shoots, except for HAIR AND MAKE UP.  Yes, that&#039;s right folks, your hair and make-up artists are supposed to collect tax from you for their services withing the city limits of NYC!  As far as props and everything else I use for a shoot, I pay the sales tax at the store or have my sub-contractors do so and then I get a Exemption Certificate from the agency or magazine to cover myself just in case.  One other thing, on all your invoices to an advertising agency or magazine, grant them a &quot;License to Exhibit,&quot; not a license to &quot;Reproduce.&quot;  Finally, if you deliver a product in the state of NY digitally, via FTP, it is my understanding that it is not subject to sales tax.  

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney in the state of NY.  When in doubt, seek the advice of an accountant and tax attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike,<br />
The specifics for NY are long and complex, but go something like this: The end user needs to pay the sales tax unless the final product is delivered out of state.  You can claim tax exemption status on gear, if it is used in the production of a &#8220;Film.&#8221;  Since there is no specific laws written for photography, it is my understanding that the film law applies.  There are no sales taxes applied to shoots, except for HAIR AND MAKE UP.  Yes, that&#8217;s right folks, your hair and make-up artists are supposed to collect tax from you for their services withing the city limits of NYC!  As far as props and everything else I use for a shoot, I pay the sales tax at the store or have my sub-contractors do so and then I get a Exemption Certificate from the agency or magazine to cover myself just in case.  One other thing, on all your invoices to an advertising agency or magazine, grant them a &#8220;License to Exhibit,&#8221; not a license to &#8220;Reproduce.&#8221;  Finally, if you deliver a product in the state of NY digitally, via FTP, it is my understanding that it is not subject to sales tax.  </p>
<p>Disclaimer: I am not an attorney in the state of NY.  When in doubt, seek the advice of an accountant and tax attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: elvis</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40290</link>
		<dc:creator>elvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having been one of the test cases and  first audited  i can say first hand 
it is no fun. not much give or take. they went back 3 years on credit cards
anything bought online that i did not have a reciept with sales tax paid on
it, i was charged for. 
they want all sales in Utah taxed even if you have a tax resale #.  i contacted some of my largest clients about this and when talking with their accountants found out the state had started auditing the companies that were buying photographic services, rather than fight it they payed the tax.
always been a use tax as long as i have been working 25+ yrs .

long story short i charge everybody tax except out of state.  if i buy it online
i pay sales tax every quarter to Utah for those purchases that did not have it.

don&#039;t have to like it just pay it
could be worse i might have to be working for a living....
and next time i will just use the money to buy a car</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having been one of the test cases and  first audited  i can say first hand<br />
it is no fun. not much give or take. they went back 3 years on credit cards<br />
anything bought online that i did not have a reciept with sales tax paid on<br />
it, i was charged for.<br />
they want all sales in Utah taxed even if you have a tax resale #.  i contacted some of my largest clients about this and when talking with their accountants found out the state had started auditing the companies that were buying photographic services, rather than fight it they payed the tax.<br />
always been a use tax as long as i have been working 25+ yrs .</p>
<p>long story short i charge everybody tax except out of state.  if i buy it online<br />
i pay sales tax every quarter to Utah for those purchases that did not have it.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t have to like it just pay it<br />
could be worse i might have to be working for a living&#8230;.<br />
and next time i will just use the money to buy a car</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Morgenthau</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40278</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Morgenthau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom McKenzie, 
That&#039;s hilarious Tom.  What isn&#039;t funny is how serious the states are.  I&#039;d strongly urge you learn the tax laws in your state and follow them.  I&#039;m one of these Utah photographers getting audited and I can tell you that it is most unpleasant.  Being able to have a glass of red while processing files, kissing the dog all hours of the day, and exercising NOT at 5 pm are our perks, but it kinda ends there.  The taxes expected of us self employed folk are no joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom McKenzie,<br />
That&#8217;s hilarious Tom.  What isn&#8217;t funny is how serious the states are.  I&#8217;d strongly urge you learn the tax laws in your state and follow them.  I&#8217;m one of these Utah photographers getting audited and I can tell you that it is most unpleasant.  Being able to have a glass of red while processing files, kissing the dog all hours of the day, and exercising NOT at 5 pm are our perks, but it kinda ends there.  The taxes expected of us self employed folk are no joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Moat</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40274</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Moat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@skool of hard knocks, That&#039;s the realm I began with after graduating in 1998: illustration and graphic design. Technically, since I send out ready to print files, and everything goes through PhotoShop, I am more of an artist with camera than I am a photographer.

Of course, I also have to deal with Texas laws, since I spend part of the year there doing shoots. The only time it gets annoying is the entire interstate commerce issue. All this stuff makes me want to set-up a corporate location in Switzerland, and bill all my clients from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skool of hard knocks, That&#8217;s the realm I began with after graduating in 1998: illustration and graphic design. Technically, since I send out ready to print files, and everything goes through PhotoShop, I am more of an artist with camera than I am a photographer.</p>
<p>Of course, I also have to deal with Texas laws, since I spend part of the year there doing shoots. The only time it gets annoying is the entire interstate commerce issue. All this stuff makes me want to set-up a corporate location in Switzerland, and bill all my clients from there.</p>
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		<title>By: skool of hard knocks</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40273</link>
		<dc:creator>skool of hard knocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gordon Moat, The beauty I find in CA 1540 is that it creates the category &#039;commercial artists&#039; which, in my case, would create a level playing field for commercial photographers and graphic designers/Illustrators. Like I said before, I could care less about the sales tax (it&#039;s paying the back tax that sucked for me), the tax is paid by the client, I just pass it on to the state.

It&#039;s knowing that there are people in the same state doing the same or similar work, which is being used in the same or similar end use, and they are not having to charge sales tax, making my rates 9.5% higher. Which really isn&#039;t that big of a deal, it&#039;s just the principle. Not to mention the whole WTF questions from clients wanting to know why I&#039;m charging them tax when others aren&#039;t.

*Disclaimer-Lord knows I&#039;m not whining. I fully understand how fortunate I am to be doing what I do. Regardless, some days sweeping floors and taking out trash sure seem attractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gordon Moat, The beauty I find in CA 1540 is that it creates the category &#8216;commercial artists&#8217; which, in my case, would create a level playing field for commercial photographers and graphic designers/Illustrators. Like I said before, I could care less about the sales tax (it&#8217;s paying the back tax that sucked for me), the tax is paid by the client, I just pass it on to the state.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s knowing that there are people in the same state doing the same or similar work, which is being used in the same or similar end use, and they are not having to charge sales tax, making my rates 9.5% higher. Which really isn&#8217;t that big of a deal, it&#8217;s just the principle. Not to mention the whole WTF questions from clients wanting to know why I&#8217;m charging them tax when others aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>*Disclaimer-Lord knows I&#8217;m not whining. I fully understand how fortunate I am to be doing what I do. Regardless, some days sweeping floors and taking out trash sure seem attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Moat</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40261</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Moat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@skool of hard knocks, What&#039;s nice about California 1540 is that it makes a great argument not to transfer all rights, because doing so initiates additional tax liabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skool of hard knocks, What&#8217;s nice about California 1540 is that it makes a great argument not to transfer all rights, because doing so initiates additional tax liabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Boyes</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40259</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Boyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this passage rather strange:

&quot;A photographer may also render services such as developing, retouching, and tinting. &quot;
========================

Tinting?  Nope, never been asked to tint anything for commercial gain before.  Maybe this is some new goldmine of profitability waiting to be  discovered. 

Just off to register www.protinting.com  - I smell $$$  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this passage rather strange:</p>
<p>&#8220;A photographer may also render services such as developing, retouching, and tinting. &#8221;<br />
========================</p>
<p>Tinting?  Nope, never been asked to tint anything for commercial gain before.  Maybe this is some new goldmine of profitability waiting to be  discovered. </p>
<p>Just off to register <a href="http://www.protinting.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.protinting.com</a>  &#8211; I smell $$$  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McKenzie</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/03/16/utah-sticks-it-to-all-their-photographers/comment-page-1/#comment-40256</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.  This is the part of the business I hate, so I put it off and feel like I am gonna get hit by a truck here soon.  
Must keep better records
Must keep better records
Must keep better records!

thanks for the insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.  This is the part of the business I hate, so I put it off and feel like I am gonna get hit by a truck here soon.<br />
Must keep better records<br />
Must keep better records<br />
Must keep better records!</p>
<p>thanks for the insight.</p>
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