Comments on: “Facebook And Twitter Lost Me An Advertising Shoot”

By: Twitter Blueprint

Twitter Blueprint — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:18:40 +0000

Twitter Blueprint…

2. Limit number of tweets per day, and charge for anything over. This will probably sound horrible to most Twitterers, but it could work out. Craig’ s List charges for certain types of ads. This has the dual effect of creating a revenue stream while …

By: Brandon D.

Brandon D. — Tue, 26 May 2009 19:59:49 +0000

I wouldn’t fool myself into thinking this has much to do with Facebook, Twitter, or whatever. The fact is that the photographer could’ve just as easily announced excitement about the job in public in a restaurant, in a bar, at a party, or at any other live social gathering, and this situation could’ve easily resulted in the very same consequences. This issue has much more to do with confidentiality awareness than social networking. Had there been no confidentiality, the photographer would’ve probably kept the job regardless of which social networking site he made announcements on.

Photographers announce excitement for upcoming jobs on their very own blogs all of the time, right where their clients can easily see that they’re doing so. Are photographers to stop blogging, too?

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By: Bob

Bob — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:31:55 +0000

@Twictim,

As suggested above:

How well do those rags pay?
If it’s about exposure, to what end?

Will print (advertising) make that technological jump too?

ROI investment may rarely exist in this industry.
Does that reality fill the need for the emotional validation of being a photographer – having images published?

By: Bob

Bob — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:10:56 +0000

@Twictim,

wow…. I’ll bet those rags pay really well too!
Of course it’s all about the carrot for the *lucrative* print advertising gigs.

Will print make that technological jump too?

oh well… feed the hole in the (fragile) ego, even if the ROI investment may no longer exist in this industry.

Twisted thought begets “What goes wrong”.

By: katja heinemann

katja heinemann — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:58:43 +0000

and this doesn’t just apply to photographers – I recently shot a story for a weekly mag where the subject posted on twitter/facebook that they were going to be featured, and when I showed up for the shoot there were two local tv stations wanting to cover it. Definitely an issue with an exclusive story, and something that could have caused a major hassle or minor embarrassment for me. I was able to get out of the situation as best I could. So basically, editors and art buyers need to be extra careful spelling out the terms…..

By: Brad Trent

Brad Trent — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:53:48 +0000

@Delaine Zody…….hey, I never said I wasn’t using all this fancy-schmancy new technology…..my problem is with how others seem to be using it in all the wrong ways! I’ve had a MySpace account for years…ditto facebook…and I finally caved and even started up a blog this year, although I basically use it to pass along whatever music is sitting at the top of my iTunes folder! I understand why you need to stay current and use whatever tricks are out there to spread your brand, but I have a real problem with the way some photographers have been pushing themselves. What a lot of people now consider as inappropriate blogging, tweeting and facebooking has gotten so bad recently that two of my clients have felt the need to send letters out demanding that photographers working for them remember who is paying for the shoots they’ve been assigned to do and cut the shit with the constant online stream of information regarding whatever they shot that day being released well in advance of the publication date of the article. If magazines felt the need to pre-release information about their future articles, much like feature films show ‘trailers’ months in advance, I’m sure they would have already figured out a way to do it. And I would bet the ranch that if one of my clients saw me blogging about a story before it hit the newstand I would soon be calling them an ex-client!

And for what it’s worth…as open-minded as I think I am, I still consider Twitter to be quite possibly the stupidest waste of time I’ve ever heard of!!! And anybody who can convince me otherwise gets to go under my staircase and raid the cellar as a prize….. http://tinyurl.com/trentcellar

By: Delaine Zody

Delaine Zody — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:49:03 +0000

@Brad Trent, although I am on neither MySpace, Twitter, or Facebook, I am hearing from all directions that these are the way to market your business and one is being left behind in the dust if they are not using these tools. I would guess that people must LEARN how to correctly use the new fangled tools just as we learned how to use radio, tv, and the Internet.

By: scott Rex Ely

scott Rex Ely — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:30:21 +0000

@craig, Let me explain how I came to my conclusions:The following from Webster’s
:Advertising, : the action of calling something to the attention of the public especially by paid announcements
Mogul: a great personage : magnate
Player:: one actively involved especially in a competitive field or process
Here is a great article that I found via Twitter:http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2009/04/the_psychology_of_the_sale.php
From the last paragraph:”For comparison, look at American Apparel. Have you ever seen an American Apparel store advertise a sale in the window? Or slash the price of their t-shirts? I thought not. They know that they are in the perception business, and that how we perceive a t-shirt depends on many other factors that have nothing do with the quality of cotton. Sometimes, the easiest way to make the consumer happier with a purchase is to increase the price.”
Yeah I read about Dov, now back to my question, How does calling people names contribute to our profession?

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By: craig

craig — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:04:09 +0000

@A Photo Editor,

Dov Charney is an advertising “mogul”

who knew?

By: Brad Wenner

Brad Wenner — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:02:02 +0000

@Say It Ain’t So, The worse the economy gets the more emails I get about “workshops” that are “great opportunities for emerging photographers”. I got one the other day for to learn the secrets of the fashion industry from a “famous NYC fashion photographer”. If he’s so famous why is he selling $900/day workshops on the west coast instead of, I dunno, shooting assignments in NYC?

I know times are tough and there is no shortage of people out there with day jobs willing to shell out the money for these things, but I’m tired of being pitched at by other photographers. Social media has amplified it to the point where it’s getting ridiculous.

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:42:45 +0000

@A Photo Editor, Um, ok, as a reporter, how in the hell do you continue an interview with your subject masturbating in front of you? That’s sick!

I just don’t understand.

By: craig

craig — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:15:56 +0000

@Twictim,

Check the ego, friend. As you can see, you too young and not in demand enough to get away with it.

It should go without saying – don’t be “that guy” – you know the one people roll their eyes at when he’s not around. Then you won’t have to worry what went wrong later yourself.

Sometimes taking the high road is the hard one. But it always pays off.

By: Say It Ain't So

Say It Ain't So — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:19:22 +0000

@A Photo Editor,

Dude … that’s what the wedding photography industry has become. You can make MORE money selling to other photographers than you can shooting weddings. Look at how many workshops crappy photographers put on and charge like $500 to $1750 per seat!

I know one wedding studio who grossed about $45k for a four-day workshop. Uh … yeah.

By: loupe

loupe — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:57:42 +0000

@Jeremy,
HAHAHA

By: Twictim

Twictim — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:14:19 +0000

@Steve, actually, that’s what was in my original e-mail to Rob!I agree it’s pretty much a non story, It was meant to be a cautious tale.
And to everyone who commented whether we disagree or agree on the future, thanks for weighing in. As a young photog, all this feedback was totally useful! The one thing that bothered me about this whole discourse was the people telling me to “zip it” for merely having an opinion. APE is THE site for this type of debate, and yet I have reps (i assume) telling me that my agency should drop me? I didn’t slag a fellow photographer, name any names Why? I’m not on Gawker embarrassing anyone or sounding off. I’ve not posted/ranted/whined about this situation on any other blog, FB (trust me! I got THAT through my thick head!) etc..I’m on a site dedicated to discussions between photographers, which I though was why we all come here. I stand behind my tech comments, but that doesn’t mean that I think any less of reps or agents that bust their asses to get their clients gigs in this difficult climate! My agency is very forward thinking, and I’m just echoing what they instill in their creatives, “Don’t be afraid of technology”. I guess the way of the world is no matter how good your pictures are or how pleasant and cool you are to work with in person, come on to a professional photo web site and have an opinion, and you’ll never work in this town again. It boggles my mind that an awesome photog’s book could come across the desk of a rep on here and instead of saying “let’s meet this person and see what they’re like”, they think “humph. They made xx comment on a photo blog that I read. Forget them.” wow. This isn’t by far the first post where I’ve noticed this. that’s sad really.

By: AgentNYC

AgentNYC — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:32:39 +0000

@Twictim, your agent should drop you. You are tripping over yourself, saying some really idiotic things. Perhaps time to zip it.

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:22:30 +0000

Like all the uproar about the ‘Craigslist Killer,’ this would be a non-story without the angle that a relatively new internet-based technology was somehow involved.

The title of this post should actually be: “My big mouth lost me an advertising shoot.”

Steve

By: Paul O'Mara

Paul O'Mara — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:47:13 +0000

@Eric B, Yes Eric your thoughts are well said. All of these “tools” have sharp points and running with them can “poke your eye out, kid”.

What is amazing about the way we communicate today is that if you want to have a private conversation you need to pick up the phone! Things can get out of balance when social networking gets too mixed into business. Sometimes it’s hard to remember who we are.

It’s easy to loose a job that way.

By: A Photo Editor

A Photo Editor — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:32:22 +0000

@scott Rex Ely,
First, go read this story about Dov:
http://tinyurl.com/cxdsa4
Not sure what industry you play in but he’s not a player here.
Expressing your opinion is different than stating a fact like you got a job shooting xyz. Don’t know why you’re getting all huffy and calling me hypocritical and unprofessional.

By: scott Rex Ely

scott Rex Ely — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:36:08 +0000

I’m not defending him, I’m defending professional behavior standards. I don’t see how posting caveats about commenting on social networking sites relating to jobs is a positive thing, meanwhile posting derogatory personal attacks about an industry player isn’t a little hypocritical and unprofessional. How does calling people names contribute to our profession?

By: Eric B

Eric B — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:44:26 +0000

There is a lot of discussion about how Facebook and Twitter evolve into tools to support professionals in their careers rather than just social tools. AOL Instant Messenger evolved into Microsoft Communicator and Sametime. Facebook and Twitter provide useful functions, but you need to be careful about how they are used in a business context – just as some things are not okay to say in a meeting but are okay to say over drinks.

I think the word for now is to be discreet and be profesional when using Facebook and Twitter. The world is changing and anything you say virtually CAN be held against you.

By: doktor

doktor — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:15:56 +0000

to me once this happened:

shot an advertising job. Asked the agency if its ok to give the info to a news service after everything was shot and delivered. Got the ok on the phone from the art buyer. Published the news. Client complains to the agency. Agency denys that they gave me to ok.

I never signed any confidentiality agreement with them. And it was not too big a deal. I just learned from that that you have to be extra careful with this stuff.

Also what

to the photographer: dont worry. Big chances are rare and might only come onece in a while. But if you keep at it they will come again. You might have to wait a year or something but earlier or later you’ll get your chance.

By: bb

bb — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:09:46 +0000

rule #1 Don’t talk about it until the deals sealed or nowadays till your on set

It will curse it at least every other time.

By: Brother Lemoine

Brother Lemoine — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:08:59 +0000

The reason I am commenting is because I have been debating the value of twitter on a daily basis. I don’t want to be the guy sitting at the typewriter claiming the computer is going to be useless but doesn’t twitter feel a little like a self imposed big brother? Sure its a great way to reach a mass group of people like when a homeless shelter needs winter coats and can contact a giant contribution pool immediately , the value is obvious in several marketing applications for everyone, but I personally can’t shake the feeling tweeting is moist with a sense of self importance. (Now go check out my blog…ha!)

By: JMG

JMG — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:03:42 +0000

@dude, yes. My reps reads this blog.As a matter of fact, they are cutting edge enough to UNDERSTAND what I’m saying when I say that one day reps might be replaced OR have to modify their biz structure. They use Twitter, blogs and FB to reach out to their clients. so YEAH. they know what’s up. as a matter of fact they OK’ed it. you’re missing my point. I was a mistake that I hope young photogs in the future won’t make. And if I sound “snarky” and “cocky” that’s too bad. I don’t like being called “honey.”

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By: JMG

JMG — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:54:34 +0000

@scott Rex Ely, it’s DOV Charney. jeeze. at least know who you’re defending!

By: dude

dude — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:27:08 +0000

@A Photo Editor, you’re probably correct, but perhaps they were also worrying about indiscretions to come since it sounds like he leaked it as soon as it was decided.