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	<title>Comments on: PDN Photography Annual 2009</title>
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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: otto schulze photogr</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto schulze photogr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are just amazing! People, HOW FASCINATING!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Winning Stock Photography at PDN — Jan Scherders Photography</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44490</link>
		<dc:creator>Winning Stock Photography at PDN — Jan Scherders Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] got another nice posting from APhotoEditor in my Reader. This time about PDN Photography Annual 2009 . Nice reading. But of course I had a look at the PDN site it self and quickly browsed to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] got another nice posting from APhotoEditor in my Reader. This time about PDN Photography Annual 2009 . Nice reading. But of course I had a look at the PDN site it self and quickly browsed to the [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44489</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex, I understand that, I just felt the need to point out that the example you used doesn&#039;t fit this scenario (since the makers of Let it Pee would not be successfully sued)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex, I understand that, I just felt the need to point out that the example you used doesn&#8217;t fit this scenario (since the makers of Let it Pee would not be successfully sued)</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44488</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian Aleksander Adams, 
Let It Pee might be legal as parody, but &quot;Dropped&quot; was not a parody of &quot;Dumped,&quot; and in order for a band to legally cover a song and profit on it in any way they have to PAY for the rights to use it.  To be honest, part of my comment was that I&#039;m less appalled by the fact that it happened than I am by peoples&#039; reactions in the comments.  It may not be the crime of the century, but to me there is at least a clear right and wrong in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ian Aleksander Adams,<br />
Let It Pee might be legal as parody, but &#8220;Dropped&#8221; was not a parody of &#8220;Dumped,&#8221; and in order for a band to legally cover a song and profit on it in any way they have to PAY for the rights to use it.  To be honest, part of my comment was that I&#8217;m less appalled by the fact that it happened than I am by peoples&#8217; reactions in the comments.  It may not be the crime of the century, but to me there is at least a clear right and wrong in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44485</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mickey, HOLY SHIT PHOTOGRAPHERS SHOOT VIDEO NOW? WOW! I HOPE THEY DO AN ISSUE ALL ABUOT IT IN ALL MY FAVORITE PHOOOGRAPHY MAGAZINES

a video is still a video, godamnit. Doesn&#039;t it belong in video magazines? Haven&#039;t photographers been hopping between mediums for years? Why is it a big deal now? 

I guess maybe because many mainstream magazines seem to have huge ad contracts with photography equipment manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mickey, HOLY SHIT PHOTOGRAPHERS SHOOT VIDEO NOW? WOW! I HOPE THEY DO AN ISSUE ALL ABUOT IT IN ALL MY FAVORITE PHOOOGRAPHY MAGAZINES</p>
<p>a video is still a video, godamnit. Doesn&#8217;t it belong in video magazines? Haven&#8217;t photographers been hopping between mediums for years? Why is it a big deal now? </p>
<p>I guess maybe because many mainstream magazines seem to have huge ad contracts with photography equipment manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44484</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex

PS. Let it Pee is totally legal as parody. And bands win awards for cover songs all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex</p>
<p>PS. Let it Pee is totally legal as parody. And bands win awards for cover songs all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44483</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex, It&#039;s stupid, yeah, but I feel that it would have to be more surprising to be outrageous. Shit like this happens all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex, It&#8217;s stupid, yeah, but I feel that it would have to be more surprising to be outrageous. Shit like this happens all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44482</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tacotony

hah. I really really really try to be more eloquent and polite about things, but I have to admit, my first thoughts went along those lines exactly. Doorknob retarded.</description>
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<p>hah. I really really really try to be more eloquent and polite about things, but I have to admit, my first thoughts went along those lines exactly. Doorknob retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: colin adair</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44481</link>
		<dc:creator>colin adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian Aleksander Adams, 

Nice! I was going to say the same thing......</description>
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<p>Nice! I was going to say the same thing&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob,

There doesn&#039;t seem to be any way to upload JPEGs to this thread, or I&#039;d be happy to let you see it. I should probably have someone like you peering over my shoulder when I do these things - I don&#039;t know the first thing about surfing (although authenticity is not my higest priority, obviously...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob,</p>
<p>There doesn&#8217;t seem to be any way to upload JPEGs to this thread, or I&#8217;d be happy to let you see it. I should probably have someone like you peering over my shoulder when I do these things &#8211; I don&#8217;t know the first thing about surfing (although authenticity is not my higest priority, obviously&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed Freeman, 

Would be interesting to see before and after images.

The action looks more like a kick out than a floater.
What is deceiving is the bit of spray starting just back from the tip of the nose, and along the outside rail. It&#039;s rare to see that carry over in that manner without any contact with the wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed Freeman, </p>
<p>Would be interesting to see before and after images.</p>
<p>The action looks more like a kick out than a floater.<br />
What is deceiving is the bit of spray starting just back from the tip of the nose, and along the outside rail. It&#8217;s rare to see that carry over in that manner without any contact with the wave.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44470</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pixelate, 

Yes, John shared it with me at the time.
He also had a series -and I saw several study/WIP images- with models jumping/midair. 

Both the splashing and &quot;midair&quot; are represented in Halsman&#039;s work. Subjectively they are different. Cognitively they may share something. While I&#039;m not suggesting John &quot;borrowed&quot;, I&#039;m sure he was aware of the earlier work. Interesting coincidence. Was Halsman the first to use these visual treatments in a studio shot? I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pixelate, </p>
<p>Yes, John shared it with me at the time.<br />
He also had a series -and I saw several study/WIP images- with models jumping/midair. </p>
<p>Both the splashing and &#8220;midair&#8221; are represented in Halsman&#8217;s work. Subjectively they are different. Cognitively they may share something. While I&#8217;m not suggesting John &#8220;borrowed&#8221;, I&#8217;m sure he was aware of the earlier work. Interesting coincidence. Was Halsman the first to use these visual treatments in a studio shot? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: pixelate</title>
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		<dc:creator>pixelate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob, I think Halsman&#039;s image and Clang&#039;s are entirely different. I love both. 

Clang did a series of images involving &quot;splashing&quot; a dry medium for an Hermes campaign a few years ago. Those were pretty spectacular. I wish I had a link of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob, I think Halsman&#8217;s image and Clang&#8217;s are entirely different. I love both. </p>
<p>Clang did a series of images involving &#8220;splashing&#8221; a dry medium for an Hermes campaign a few years ago. Those were pretty spectacular. I wish I had a link of it.</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44457</link>
		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed Freeman, 
I really dig your attitude and have to say that I shouldn&#039;t have said bummed because you obviously broke a &quot;rule&quot; and that&#039;s always a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed Freeman,<br />
I really dig your attitude and have to say that I shouldn&#8217;t have said bummed because you obviously broke a &#8220;rule&#8221; and that&#8217;s always a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44449</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Weiss, 
I would tend to agree with you until I looked (on Freeman&#039;s website) at the context that this image appears in. Do you call the rest of the series a &quot;concept&quot; series? I would err more towards &quot;action&quot;, &quot;documentary&quot; or &quot;portrait&quot;. The rest of the series appears to be a natural looking (and tastefully done, Ed) story about surf culture that I would enjoy as a body of work. In this context the shot looked like an extreme sports shot to me. Not questioning it&#039;s impact but knowing that there is a composited image in there seemed really inappropriate, and a little deceitful for my tastes. If PDN is publishing the image out of context then all of the above is negotiable. You&#039;re making a lot of generalisations about people&#039;s perceptions Debra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Weiss,<br />
I would tend to agree with you until I looked (on Freeman&#8217;s website) at the context that this image appears in. Do you call the rest of the series a &#8220;concept&#8221; series? I would err more towards &#8220;action&#8221;, &#8220;documentary&#8221; or &#8220;portrait&#8221;. The rest of the series appears to be a natural looking (and tastefully done, Ed) story about surf culture that I would enjoy as a body of work. In this context the shot looked like an extreme sports shot to me. Not questioning it&#8217;s impact but knowing that there is a composited image in there seemed really inappropriate, and a little deceitful for my tastes. If PDN is publishing the image out of context then all of the above is negotiable. You&#8217;re making a lot of generalisations about people&#8217;s perceptions Debra.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44446</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Weiss, 

And yet another art salesman justifies his existence.  What a surprise.

I never said photoshop didn&#039;t have a place in fine art.  In fact, it is by far the most powerful tool artists have ever had at their disposal.

&quot;I have long been of the belief that it is digital manipulation that would be responsible for elevating photography to fine art status.&quot;

You can&#039;t possibly be serious - elevating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Weiss, </p>
<p>And yet another art salesman justifies his existence.  What a surprise.</p>
<p>I never said photoshop didn&#8217;t have a place in fine art.  In fact, it is by far the most powerful tool artists have ever had at their disposal.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have long been of the belief that it is digital manipulation that would be responsible for elevating photography to fine art status.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t possibly be serious &#8211; elevating?</p>
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		<title>By: day19</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44444</link>
		<dc:creator>day19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t photoshop any of our shots!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn&#8217;t photoshop any of our shots!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44439</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed Freeman, 

No one in the real art world bats an eye at digital manipulation.  In fact, I have long been of the belief that it is digital manipulation that would be responsible for elevating photography to fine art status. If it mattered,  the work of Ruud Van Empel, Loretta Lux, Maggie Taylor and others would be unable to garner the thousands upon thousands of dollars their images sell for.  To paraphrase a comment made by Rick Wester, former Director of Photography at Phillips DuPury and now owner of Rick Wester Fine Art,  &quot; If anyone has a problem with Photoshop, they need to get over it. The train has left the station.&quot; He made that comment during a curatorial walkthrough about 3 or 4 years ago and the train is not about to go in reverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed Freeman, </p>
<p>No one in the real art world bats an eye at digital manipulation.  In fact, I have long been of the belief that it is digital manipulation that would be responsible for elevating photography to fine art status. If it mattered,  the work of Ruud Van Empel, Loretta Lux, Maggie Taylor and others would be unable to garner the thousands upon thousands of dollars their images sell for.  To paraphrase a comment made by Rick Wester, former Director of Photography at Phillips DuPury and now owner of Rick Wester Fine Art,  &#8221; If anyone has a problem with Photoshop, they need to get over it. The train has left the station.&#8221; He made that comment during a curatorial walkthrough about 3 or 4 years ago and the train is not about to go in reverse.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44438</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim, 

Thanks for the compliment but I would never refer to myself as an &quot;art expert&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim, </p>
<p>Thanks for the compliment but I would never refer to myself as an &#8220;art expert&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44433</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter Hoffman, Funny thing is, the surfer and his relationship to the wave is the only thing that HASN&#039;T been Photoshopped. The sky is new, and the wave at the bottom of the frame has been substantially altered. But the middle part with the surfer is real...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter Hoffman, Funny thing is, the surfer and his relationship to the wave is the only thing that HASN&#8217;T been Photoshopped. The sky is new, and the wave at the bottom of the frame has been substantially altered. But the middle part with the surfer is real&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44417</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed Freeman, I think it&#039;s a beautiful image.
In addition to this, I&#039;ve never seen a floater that looked like this in reality. It didn&#039;t look real right off the bat to me, if that&#039;s any solace. I&#039;m only a novice surfer but I don&#039;t see this image as misleading. It&#039;s not a literal surfing picture. The odd juxtaposition of things in this image only led me to want to study it further upon seeing it.
Congrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed Freeman, I think it&#8217;s a beautiful image.<br />
In addition to this, I&#8217;ve never seen a floater that looked like this in reality. It didn&#8217;t look real right off the bat to me, if that&#8217;s any solace. I&#8217;m only a novice surfer but I don&#8217;t see this image as misleading. It&#8217;s not a literal surfing picture. The odd juxtaposition of things in this image only led me to want to study it further upon seeing it.<br />
Congrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/06/03/pdn-photography-annual-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-44397</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG VINCENT LAFORET WON A BUNCH OF AWARDS?!? He&#039;s such an undiscovered talent!!! 

Did you guys know he shot a video with his 5D?? You can read about it for the 1000000 time on page 40. Man, how does PDN come up with such original content?


Yawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG VINCENT LAFORET WON A BUNCH OF AWARDS?!? He&#8217;s such an undiscovered talent!!! </p>
<p>Did you guys know he shot a video with his 5D?? You can read about it for the 1000000 time on page 40. Man, how does PDN come up with such original content?</p>
<p>Yawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mason, Thanks Mason. Guts might be needed if there were anything shameful about using Photoshop; I don&#039;t think there is. Curious that nobody bats an eye at in-camera or darkroom manipulation, yet the slightest computer tweak sets off alarm bells. Maybe the dust just hasn&#039;t settled yet; give us another fifty years. 

p.s. Anybody who thinks straight photography is true to life has obviously never seen my driver&#039;s license picture...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mason, Thanks Mason. Guts might be needed if there were anything shameful about using Photoshop; I don&#8217;t think there is. Curious that nobody bats an eye at in-camera or darkroom manipulation, yet the slightest computer tweak sets off alarm bells. Maybe the dust just hasn&#8217;t settled yet; give us another fifty years. </p>
<p>p.s. Anybody who thinks straight photography is true to life has obviously never seen my driver&#8217;s license picture&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debra Weiss, hmmmm, so, it&#039;s an image of a sporting event, but doesn&#039;t have anything to do with sports?  

ok.

the arrogant, condescending nature of some &#039;art experts&#039; never ceases to amaze me. so much for having an intellectual discussion about &#039;art.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debra Weiss, hmmmm, so, it&#8217;s an image of a sporting event, but doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with sports?  </p>
<p>ok.</p>
<p>the arrogant, condescending nature of some &#8216;art experts&#8217; never ceases to amaze me. so much for having an intellectual discussion about &#8216;art.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: doktor</title>
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		<dc:creator>doktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m usually very cautious to call something a rip-off but these actually DO look too identical to believe its just accidental.

I think the original series is better though. More emotion and life especially in the two right pictures of Meg Watcher.

The real scandal is that PDN gave an award to a series which uses an advertising aesthetic which I would even find unbearable for microstock. 

Also in terms of freshness 80% of the stuff doesn&#039;t deserve an award anyway.

But hey - Stephen Shore got one too.  Did he submit the book himself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m usually very cautious to call something a rip-off but these actually DO look too identical to believe its just accidental.</p>
<p>I think the original series is better though. More emotion and life especially in the two right pictures of Meg Watcher.</p>
<p>The real scandal is that PDN gave an award to a series which uses an advertising aesthetic which I would even find unbearable for microstock. </p>
<p>Also in terms of freshness 80% of the stuff doesn&#8217;t deserve an award anyway.</p>
<p>But hey &#8211; Stephen Shore got one too.  Did he submit the book himself?</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mason, I don&#039;t see what the point is here, Freeman entered the personal work category not a fine art and also there&#039;s a ton of famous &quot;fine art&quot; photographers that use photoshop.
Also who says that fine art photographers shouldn&#039;t use PS? Using it does it always make it a photo illustration?
Painter in the past shouldn&#039;t have been use photography?
Have you noticed  that in the current fine art photography world everything looks the same or has been done in the past? 
Ideas and concept and originality is what makes work special, anyway you want to convey your message(if any) is fair game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mason, I don&#8217;t see what the point is here, Freeman entered the personal work category not a fine art and also there&#8217;s a ton of famous &#8220;fine art&#8221; photographers that use photoshop.<br />
Also who says that fine art photographers shouldn&#8217;t use PS? Using it does it always make it a photo illustration?<br />
Painter in the past shouldn&#8217;t have been use photography?<br />
Have you noticed  that in the current fine art photography world everything looks the same or has been done in the past?<br />
Ideas and concept and originality is what makes work special, anyway you want to convey your message(if any) is fair game.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dude, 

Beat me to it :P
Find more @ Ai-Ap
That series spawned other rip-offs earlier in the decade as well.

Of course Halsman was one (or two) jumps ahead of John Clang 50 years earlier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyc/95165918/

@Debra Weiss
On the &quot;surf shot&quot;:  communication is best understood when one has implicit knowledge of the subject matter.
A lack of that knowledge is why you don&#039;t fully comprehend this image, the context, or the lack of significance. (Why it has no bearing on what is portrayed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dude, </p>
<p>Beat me to it :P<br />
Find more @ Ai-Ap<br />
That series spawned other rip-offs earlier in the decade as well.</p>
<p>Of course Halsman was one (or two) jumps ahead of John Clang 50 years earlier: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyc/95165918/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyc/95165918/</a></p>
<p>@Debra Weiss<br />
On the &#8220;surf shot&#8221;:  communication is best understood when one has implicit knowledge of the subject matter.<br />
A lack of that knowledge is why you don&#8217;t fully comprehend this image, the context, or the lack of significance. (Why it has no bearing on what is portrayed).</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim, 

You too are under the misconception that this image has anything to do with sports. 

If anyone viewing this image can&#039;t tell that the photographer didn&#039;t document a real moment then a) if they are photographers they should think about another line of work, and b) they should see a good eye doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim, </p>
<p>You too are under the misconception that this image has anything to do with sports. </p>
<p>If anyone viewing this image can&#8217;t tell that the photographer didn&#8217;t document a real moment then a) if they are photographers they should think about another line of work, and b) they should see a good eye doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 03:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed Freeman, 

&quot;...photoshopped halfway to death, as are all my pictures.&quot; 

Your honesty is refreshing.  And it takes guts to apply your &#039;fine art&#039; label to a photoillustration  that passes as a photograph, artist statement or no.  

Thanks for responding and congrats on the PDN nod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed Freeman, </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;photoshopped halfway to death, as are all my pictures.&#8221; </p>
<p>Your honesty is refreshing.  And it takes guts to apply your &#8216;fine art&#8217; label to a photoillustration  that passes as a photograph, artist statement or no.  </p>
<p>Thanks for responding and congrats on the PDN nod.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 03:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed the Meg Watchter/Nicole Hill Geruit controversy from YTWWN, and I&#039;ve been kind of appalled at peoples&#039; reactions. If you go back to Nicole&#039;s blog, she actually announced before her shoot that she was going to be basing it on Meg&#039;s shoot, using it as &quot;inspiration&quot;...but then she proceeded to shoot a nearly IDENTICAL shoot.  Children or not, original or not, she took the idea directly from Meg, recreated it, entered a contest, and actually won. I think that&#039;s outrageous.  It would be one thing if it was somehow accidental that the shoots look so similar.  For that matter, it would be fine if she recreated the shoot for her own personal experience.  But to acknowledge that you are basing a shoot on another photographer&#039;s work and then totally rip it off and use it for your portfolio and enter it into a contest is shameful.  Tons of bands have been inspired by The Beatles, but if somebody came out with a song called &quot;Let It Pee,&quot; using the same melody and chords but new words to relate to the potty habits of children, they would be sued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed the Meg Watchter/Nicole Hill Geruit controversy from YTWWN, and I&#8217;ve been kind of appalled at peoples&#8217; reactions. If you go back to Nicole&#8217;s blog, she actually announced before her shoot that she was going to be basing it on Meg&#8217;s shoot, using it as &#8220;inspiration&#8221;&#8230;but then she proceeded to shoot a nearly IDENTICAL shoot.  Children or not, original or not, she took the idea directly from Meg, recreated it, entered a contest, and actually won. I think that&#8217;s outrageous.  It would be one thing if it was somehow accidental that the shoots look so similar.  For that matter, it would be fine if she recreated the shoot for her own personal experience.  But to acknowledge that you are basing a shoot on another photographer&#8217;s work and then totally rip it off and use it for your portfolio and enter it into a contest is shameful.  Tons of bands have been inspired by The Beatles, but if somebody came out with a song called &#8220;Let It Pee,&#8221; using the same melody and chords but new words to relate to the potty habits of children, they would be sued.</p>
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