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	<title>Comments on: Robot Photographers Can&#8217;t Catch A Break</title>
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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-54963</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please, repost it! this was easily the wittiest, funniest piece that I have ever seen on the web, and i miss being able to share it with my peers.

i&#039;m begging you.....please.

roberto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please, repost it! this was easily the wittiest, funniest piece that I have ever seen on the web, and i miss being able to share it with my peers.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m begging you&#8230;..please.</p>
<p>roberto</p>
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		<title>By: Just say no! &#124; Will Robb Photography</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just say no! &#124; Will Robb Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] saw this video clip on photoeditors blog which is about how photographers are getting shafted by the media industry. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: robot photographer video &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>robot photographer video &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] robot photographer&#160;video By treezoy  Watch it here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We photographers have become a very sad group. I know it&#039;s easy to get pissed off at being treated like this but we really need to take responsibility for  a lot of this. The market place is flooded with talented photographers willing to work for almost nothing. Clients are reacting to the market and I can&#039;t blame them. Their budgets are shrinking and they smell the blood in the water. They know we will work for nothing if they sell it to us. We really need to evaluate or business models. Like other posters have said. We need to be putting time into producing better work, looking for better clients and working harder to help younger photographers understand all of this that sometimes the best business move is to just say no(thank you).

Cheers,

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We photographers have become a very sad group. I know it&#8217;s easy to get pissed off at being treated like this but we really need to take responsibility for  a lot of this. The market place is flooded with talented photographers willing to work for almost nothing. Clients are reacting to the market and I can&#8217;t blame them. Their budgets are shrinking and they smell the blood in the water. They know we will work for nothing if they sell it to us. We really need to evaluate or business models. Like other posters have said. We need to be putting time into producing better work, looking for better clients and working harder to help younger photographers understand all of this that sometimes the best business move is to just say no(thank you).</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Moat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Moat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly funny, though I agree with some of the comments in that it should have ended with the photographer not taking the assignment. When some publications and companies think they can get any photographer to shoot something, that is when photography is a commodity to them, and not a talent that improves their image. Amazing that they understand the need for photography, but then place so little value on it. They should try publishing a magazine in which the articles contain no images, and the only images are from the ads in the publication.

This situation many photographers are running into reminds me of some recent developments in the shipping industry. I have photographed ships for ship service and shipping companies for years, so I get some insight into their realm. What happened over the last year is that shipping rates for some cargoes fell bellow the cost of operating certain ships. Some companies needed revenue no matter what, and tried to pick up the difference on loans, which they hoped would carry them until rates picked back up. Chartering companies usually control the rates, but the shipping companies can choose to accept them. Very recently the largest shipping company Maersk, announced they were mooring some ships to decrease their number of available ships, and they announced they would no longer accept any below cost rates. Soon a few of the other large players decided to do the same. That was a bit over a month ago, and now suddenly the rates are coming back up. About 98% of everything manufactured spends a portion of it&#039;s life on ships, either as raw materials or finished products, so this was a very big deal in the global economy.

While I don&#039;t think photographers could follow what the shipping industry accomplished, I think there is a great lesson there in the power of refusing business. When you are aware of your CODB, if you knowingly took on assignments that were below that, then you would have to figure out how to make up the difference. We are not just photographers, we are business owners, and we need to make decisions that allow us to continue our business, and hopefully grow our business. The images that we make should accomplish those same goals for our clients, and help their businesses. It&#039;s like a relationship, it takes time, and both need to grow together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly funny, though I agree with some of the comments in that it should have ended with the photographer not taking the assignment. When some publications and companies think they can get any photographer to shoot something, that is when photography is a commodity to them, and not a talent that improves their image. Amazing that they understand the need for photography, but then place so little value on it. They should try publishing a magazine in which the articles contain no images, and the only images are from the ads in the publication.</p>
<p>This situation many photographers are running into reminds me of some recent developments in the shipping industry. I have photographed ships for ship service and shipping companies for years, so I get some insight into their realm. What happened over the last year is that shipping rates for some cargoes fell bellow the cost of operating certain ships. Some companies needed revenue no matter what, and tried to pick up the difference on loans, which they hoped would carry them until rates picked back up. Chartering companies usually control the rates, but the shipping companies can choose to accept them. Very recently the largest shipping company Maersk, announced they were mooring some ships to decrease their number of available ships, and they announced they would no longer accept any below cost rates. Soon a few of the other large players decided to do the same. That was a bit over a month ago, and now suddenly the rates are coming back up. About 98% of everything manufactured spends a portion of it&#8217;s life on ships, either as raw materials or finished products, so this was a very big deal in the global economy.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think photographers could follow what the shipping industry accomplished, I think there is a great lesson there in the power of refusing business. When you are aware of your CODB, if you knowingly took on assignments that were below that, then you would have to figure out how to make up the difference. We are not just photographers, we are business owners, and we need to make decisions that allow us to continue our business, and hopefully grow our business. The images that we make should accomplish those same goals for our clients, and help their businesses. It&#8217;s like a relationship, it takes time, and both need to grow together.</p>
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		<title>By: Presscott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Presscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My GOD! It is as if the writer of this skit listen to conversations I&#039;ve had over the past week. This is funny, but also to close to home to laugh to hard. I wish I could say no to these jobs. If only the economy wasn&#039;t complete crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My GOD! It is as if the writer of this skit listen to conversations I&#8217;ve had over the past week. This is funny, but also to close to home to laugh to hard. I wish I could say no to these jobs. If only the economy wasn&#8217;t complete crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Target, if you are a Target photographer, you know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Target, if you are a Target photographer, you know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super funny but unfortunately, it&#039;s also spot-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super funny but unfortunately, it&#8217;s also spot-on.</p>
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		<title>By: graham trott</title>
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		<dc:creator>graham trott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn&#039;t do the graphic designer skit - I was just inspired by it. Ripped it off more like. Plagarism, maybe. Copyright infringement? I doubt it - everything on the internet is copyright free, isn&#039;t it?

Anyway, Robotog 2 is released now: 

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20091002122351973

Makes more sense to UK operators, due to geography knowledge, but hey, fil yer boots, mate.
Ranting Robotog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#8217;t do the graphic designer skit &#8211; I was just inspired by it. Ripped it off more like. Plagarism, maybe. Copyright infringement? I doubt it &#8211; everything on the internet is copyright free, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Anyway, Robotog 2 is released now: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20091002122351973" rel="nofollow">http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20091002122351973</a></p>
<p>Makes more sense to UK operators, due to geography knowledge, but hey, fil yer boots, mate.<br />
Ranting Robotog</p>
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		<title>By: ct</title>
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		<dc:creator>ct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, yes...
*fartnoise*
it&#039;s why i&#039;m in nursing school now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, yes&#8230;<br />
*fartnoise*<br />
it&#8217;s why i&#8217;m in nursing school now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PeteF</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeteF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim, 

True, but some still working are also those who quite happily hand over all rights and accept ridiculously low fees &quot;all in&quot;. 

Before the net photographers had to accept this sort of crap on their own thinking it was their fault they were being treated like this.  Now we know it&#039;s rife. 

Remember folks, if you&#039;re working an &quot;amazing&quot; gig for way below market rates they haven&#039;t hired you for your photographic skills. They&#039;ve hired you because you were the cheapest quote and because they know you don&#039;t understand business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim, </p>
<p>True, but some still working are also those who quite happily hand over all rights and accept ridiculously low fees &#8220;all in&#8221;. </p>
<p>Before the net photographers had to accept this sort of crap on their own thinking it was their fault they were being treated like this.  Now we know it&#8217;s rife. </p>
<p>Remember folks, if you&#8217;re working an &#8220;amazing&#8221; gig for way below market rates they haven&#8217;t hired you for your photographic skills. They&#8217;ve hired you because you were the cheapest quote and because they know you don&#8217;t understand business.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Uomini</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52575</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Uomini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very close to the truth and I would say, a negotiation nightmare
in Cartoon form. It makes you laugh but like all black humor, not really funny in the end. So take time to laugh anyway. Makes for a better day. I always like shooting for myself.  It&#039;s fun, interesting and challenging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very close to the truth and I would say, a negotiation nightmare<br />
in Cartoon form. It makes you laugh but like all black humor, not really funny in the end. So take time to laugh anyway. Makes for a better day. I always like shooting for myself.  It&#8217;s fun, interesting and challenging.</p>
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		<title>By: Let&#8217;s Undercut Everyone &#171; Quavondo : Photographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let&#8217;s Undercut Everyone &#171; Quavondo : Photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by quavondo on October 1, 2009  Funny, this was just posted today on A Photo Editor. It reminds me of what I went through and blogged about, except I said, &#8220;NO.&#8221; only to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="padding: 1em; background-color: #FFF8DC">[...] by quavondo on October 1, 2009  Funny, this was just posted today on A Photo Editor. It reminds me of what I went through and blogged about, except I said, &#8220;NO.&#8221; only to [...]</div>
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		<title>By: Quavondo</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52565</link>
		<dc:creator>Quavondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome timing. Just blogged about this 2 days ago.

http://quavondo.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/undermining-the-business-part-ii/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome timing. Just blogged about this 2 days ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://quavondo.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/undermining-the-business-part-ii/" rel="nofollow">http://quavondo.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/undermining-the-business-part-ii/</a></p>
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		<title>By: stephen gelb</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52564</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen gelb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>absolutely lovely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>absolutely lovely!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52562</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So good it hurts. Like my favorite Mekons record.</description>
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		<title>By: Arty Farty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arty Farty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott, 

The only thing missing was the announcement that &quot;we only pay our contributors after 90 days now&quot;. 

This IS what is happening.  I&#039;ve had those conversations I think we all have.  This is what makes this whole industry such a joke.

On one hand we&#039;re being told to spend $$$ on marketing and networking and sucking up to ADs/CDs and Photo Editors and on the other hand this sport of conversation is what all that comes to.   

Meanwhile the next troop of kit lens wannabees and kids are thinking being treated worse than a minimum-wage employee is the norm.  

It&#039;s no wonder there&#039;s so many of these skits doing the rounds now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott, </p>
<p>The only thing missing was the announcement that &#8220;we only pay our contributors after 90 days now&#8221;. </p>
<p>This IS what is happening.  I&#8217;ve had those conversations I think we all have.  This is what makes this whole industry such a joke.</p>
<p>On one hand we&#8217;re being told to spend $$$ on marketing and networking and sucking up to ADs/CDs and Photo Editors and on the other hand this sport of conversation is what all that comes to.   </p>
<p>Meanwhile the next troop of kit lens wannabees and kids are thinking being treated worse than a minimum-wage employee is the norm.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder there&#8217;s so many of these skits doing the rounds now.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52550</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After finally getting that video to work in Firefox (tip for you, Robert P) I was a bit underwhelmed. 
This issue is already a stuck record, and from where I sit (in London) clients with budgets (both Editorial and Commercial) are already beginning to show concern that we Photographers feel fairly treated and decently paid.

Tightening deadlines are just another part of the massively increased speed of our working lives, but no matter how fast machines get there is a point at which I let a client know what&#039;s feasible, and where quality will suffer.
They don&#039;t want you to bring back bad work, and you don&#039;t want to set out on a shoot already feeling like you&#039;ve been screwed.

Sort the wheat from the chaff, and stop accepting work from bad clients.
Make sure you explain why you&#039;re saying no, in the hope that they become better at commissioning us.

As for working Editorially for free; it&#039;s a choice many successful Fashion photographers make, and if they&#039;re truly great it pays off. 
If you want 8 pages in i-D, Self Service or EXIT, spend some of your own money. Think of it as a personal project, seen by many more people than you could ever visit with your portfolio.

Don&#039;t work for a Commercial client if it&#039;s going to cost you money, or make no profit. It&#039;s truly pointless, and the work will suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After finally getting that video to work in Firefox (tip for you, Robert P) I was a bit underwhelmed.<br />
This issue is already a stuck record, and from where I sit (in London) clients with budgets (both Editorial and Commercial) are already beginning to show concern that we Photographers feel fairly treated and decently paid.</p>
<p>Tightening deadlines are just another part of the massively increased speed of our working lives, but no matter how fast machines get there is a point at which I let a client know what&#8217;s feasible, and where quality will suffer.<br />
They don&#8217;t want you to bring back bad work, and you don&#8217;t want to set out on a shoot already feeling like you&#8217;ve been screwed.</p>
<p>Sort the wheat from the chaff, and stop accepting work from bad clients.<br />
Make sure you explain why you&#8217;re saying no, in the hope that they become better at commissioning us.</p>
<p>As for working Editorially for free; it&#8217;s a choice many successful Fashion photographers make, and if they&#8217;re truly great it pays off.<br />
If you want 8 pages in i-D, Self Service or EXIT, spend some of your own money. Think of it as a personal project, seen by many more people than you could ever visit with your portfolio.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t work for a Commercial client if it&#8217;s going to cost you money, or make no profit. It&#8217;s truly pointless, and the work will suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hamlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hamlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way too Funny. This is so funny I brought tears to my eyes that guys won&#039;t stand up for what is right in the industry.

Hack from the top down is a good adage, that should include how a photog does business, are you as efficient as you can be, skills top notch not sloppy, I don&#039;t like have to look for customers in different areas but you know what it is rewarding because there are people out there that see the value of what I do.  I am not keen of portraits and weddings but if it fills the gapps I am still shooting and making money. 

When people don&#039;t want to pay I don&#039;t play. TTFN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way too Funny. This is so funny I brought tears to my eyes that guys won&#8217;t stand up for what is right in the industry.</p>
<p>Hack from the top down is a good adage, that should include how a photog does business, are you as efficient as you can be, skills top notch not sloppy, I don&#8217;t like have to look for customers in different areas but you know what it is rewarding because there are people out there that see the value of what I do.  I am not keen of portraits and weddings but if it fills the gapps I am still shooting and making money. </p>
<p>When people don&#8217;t want to pay I don&#8217;t play. TTFN.</p>
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		<title>By: hd</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52543</link>
		<dc:creator>hd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ben roberts --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfprIxNfCjk&amp;feature=player_embedded#t=139</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ben roberts &#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfprIxNfCjk&amp;feature=player_embedded#t=139" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfprIxNfCjk&amp;feature=player_embedded#t=139</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52541</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The photographers who are still working are the ones who are spending their time and energy finding new clients, marketing and improving their skills instead of spending energy bitching and moaning on photo blogs.

Now excuse me, I have to get back to editing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photographers who are still working are the ones who are spending their time and energy finding new clients, marketing and improving their skills instead of spending energy bitching and moaning on photo blogs.</p>
<p>Now excuse me, I have to get back to editing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert P</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52539</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at the risk of droning on, the sample pics are worth a look as well. I think Jeurgen Teller should be worried....

http://www.cs.wustl.edu/MediaAndMachines/Lewis/images/p0002568.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at the risk of droning on, the sample pics are worth a look as well. I think Jeurgen Teller should be worried&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cs.wustl.edu/MediaAndMachines/Lewis/images/p0002568.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.wustl.edu/MediaAndMachines/Lewis/images/p0002568.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert P</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52538</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further reading of the background to that brings us to this:-

&quot;Lewis currently assumes that people are between 4 and 7 feet tall, so children may need to stand on a chair.&quot;

I am guessing any people in wheelchairs will be missed out of the album too, unless they have a child standing on them.

RDP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further reading of the background to that brings us to this:-</p>
<p>&#8220;Lewis currently assumes that people are between 4 and 7 feet tall, so children may need to stand on a chair.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am guessing any people in wheelchairs will be missed out of the album too, unless they have a child standing on them.</p>
<p>RDP</p>
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		<title>By: Robert P</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52537</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow can&#039;t see any link or video or nothing from the UK (at least not on my computer) so, wondering what you were all looking at I googled &quot;robot photographer&quot; and fond this:-

http://www.cs.wustl.edu/MediaAndMachines/Lewis/

&quot;A robot photographer has numerous advantages. One interesting observation indicates that people feel less self-conscious in front of a robot. After an initial period of fascination, they begin to ignore Lewis as a photographer and lose their perception of being captured in time.&quot;

So how cool is that ?

RDP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow can&#8217;t see any link or video or nothing from the UK (at least not on my computer) so, wondering what you were all looking at I googled &#8220;robot photographer&#8221; and fond this:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cs.wustl.edu/MediaAndMachines/Lewis/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.wustl.edu/MediaAndMachines/Lewis/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;A robot photographer has numerous advantages. One interesting observation indicates that people feel less self-conscious in front of a robot. After an initial period of fascination, they begin to ignore Lewis as a photographer and lose their perception of being captured in time.&#8221;</p>
<p>So how cool is that ?</p>
<p>RDP</p>
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		<title>By: scott Rex Ely</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52536</link>
		<dc:creator>scott Rex Ely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, how old school. A male photographer talking to a female client like she&#039;s an idiot and he&#039;s arrogant, surly and an ass. How&#039;s that saying go? If you want to hear a photographer complain, give him a job......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, how old school. A male photographer talking to a female client like she&#8217;s an idiot and he&#8217;s arrogant, surly and an ass. How&#8217;s that saying go? If you want to hear a photographer complain, give him a job&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52535</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Deb Schwartz, 

right but you were also the rep who told everyone that you&#039;re not only full up, so don&#039;t bother knocking, but also that if photographers are out there doing cool stuff, we&#039;ll be discovered, (though not by you, since you&#039;ve got your hands full.) the robot with the lady-voice who had &#039;fuck all&#039; for a budget is easy to dismiss if she happens to represent some shoddy rag of a magazine. but the &#039;cool&#039; magazines sometimes have the smallest budgets of all, or even a negative one, where a photographer has to eat the film costs, or the cost of a location, or front the stylists expenses who may also be working for free, because of the one in ten thousand chance that someone out there, who might one day hire us, may be watching. sure, a chin up approach, gets you farther than bellyaching. the cup may be half full, but there are ten people drinking from it. the poor robot schmuck took the job, cause it was all he had. if you&#039;re getting bled dry you might as well at least grab the free cookie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Deb Schwartz, </p>
<p>right but you were also the rep who told everyone that you&#8217;re not only full up, so don&#8217;t bother knocking, but also that if photographers are out there doing cool stuff, we&#8217;ll be discovered, (though not by you, since you&#8217;ve got your hands full.) the robot with the lady-voice who had &#8216;fuck all&#8217; for a budget is easy to dismiss if she happens to represent some shoddy rag of a magazine. but the &#8216;cool&#8217; magazines sometimes have the smallest budgets of all, or even a negative one, where a photographer has to eat the film costs, or the cost of a location, or front the stylists expenses who may also be working for free, because of the one in ten thousand chance that someone out there, who might one day hire us, may be watching. sure, a chin up approach, gets you farther than bellyaching. the cup may be half full, but there are ten people drinking from it. the poor robot schmuck took the job, cause it was all he had. if you&#8217;re getting bled dry you might as well at least grab the free cookie.</p>
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		<title>By: ben roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52533</link>
		<dc:creator>ben roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: APE fan</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52530</link>
		<dc:creator>APE fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really, Ben? that&#039;s ultra-cool to get to the bottom of this. did he do the design one as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really, Ben? that&#8217;s ultra-cool to get to the bottom of this. did he do the design one as well?</p>
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		<title>By: ben roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52529</link>
		<dc:creator>ben roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to give credit where its due, this was scripted by Graham Trott - 

http://www.grahamtrott.com/

a UK based editorial and commercial photographer. who also happens to be bloody witty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to give credit where its due, this was scripted by Graham Trott &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.grahamtrott.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.grahamtrott.com/</a></p>
<p>a UK based editorial and commercial photographer. who also happens to be bloody witty.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurtis Kronk</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/09/30/robot-photographers-cant-catch-a-break/comment-page-1/#comment-52528</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurtis Kronk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG that was hilarious... If only we photographers could actually talk like that, lmao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG that was hilarious&#8230; If only we photographers could actually talk like that, lmao.</p>
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