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	<title>Comments on: More Magazine Covers Shot With Red Camera</title>
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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: doktor</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52925</link>
		<dc:creator>doktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder - will photographers ever get that still images and moving images are something totally different? 

In production, as a medium, how they are used, watched, perceived... and on and on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder &#8211; will photographers ever get that still images and moving images are something totally different? </p>
<p>In production, as a medium, how they are used, watched, perceived&#8230; and on and on</p>
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		<title>By: Donnar Party</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52884</link>
		<dc:creator>Donnar Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Davin Ellicson, Yes, bad teeth and sallow skin!  That was 1992-93, so I suspect people have been taking care of themselves since then!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davin Ellicson, Yes, bad teeth and sallow skin!  That was 1992-93, so I suspect people have been taking care of themselves since then!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Bush</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52855</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still and video are so fundamentally different, I really hope this trend doesn&#039;t catch on.  Your average ad/editorial photographer ain&#039;t no Godard, nor should s/he be.  If all advertising or editorial content were moving rather than still images, a lot of power and mystique will be lost...especially in fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still and video are so fundamentally different, I really hope this trend doesn&#8217;t catch on.  Your average ad/editorial photographer ain&#8217;t no Godard, nor should s/he be.  If all advertising or editorial content were moving rather than still images, a lot of power and mystique will be lost&#8230;especially in fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52845</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jesus Blinks, Exactly, but even worse with those vertical ridges. 

Magazines don&#039;t have screens. Period. Maybe in 10-20 years but not now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jesus Blinks, Exactly, but even worse with those vertical ridges. </p>
<p>Magazines don&#8217;t have screens. Period. Maybe in 10-20 years but not now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Routh</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52839</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Routh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s my my connection, or the server traffic or whatever, but I just watched a choppy video where the sound didn&#039;t sync with the lips. Am I missing something here? Where is this technological revolution I&#039;m supposed to be witnessing? There is a 1937 B&amp;W movie on TV as I type this, and it&#039;s much better quality. What is so new about all of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s my my connection, or the server traffic or whatever, but I just watched a choppy video where the sound didn&#8217;t sync with the lips. Am I missing something here? Where is this technological revolution I&#8217;m supposed to be witnessing? There is a 1937 B&amp;W movie on TV as I type this, and it&#8217;s much better quality. What is so new about all of this?</p>
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		<title>By: robert wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>think of it this way, the power of stills is that they &quot;imply&quot; what else is going on. If you then go on to &quot;show&quot; what else is &quot;not&quot; actually going on, what do you have?

conversely the power of film is that it creates willing suspension of disbelief-it transports you to another world and another story. All that these bts vids do is transport you to another &quot;shoot&quot;, which is a well fast going dry.

we are still in the infancy of the technology so its adoption is being driven primarily by those interested in promoting the gear. So the ideas are weak. Eventually it will all trickle down, hopefully, or settle into those areas that can afford the (in-the)RED camera and the ideas will come out and the gear will be secondary. 

At that point, either this new niche or form is created, whatever it is, or it gets absorbed into already established forms like commercials, documentary, film, television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>think of it this way, the power of stills is that they &#8220;imply&#8221; what else is going on. If you then go on to &#8220;show&#8221; what else is &#8220;not&#8221; actually going on, what do you have?</p>
<p>conversely the power of film is that it creates willing suspension of disbelief-it transports you to another world and another story. All that these bts vids do is transport you to another &#8220;shoot&#8221;, which is a well fast going dry.</p>
<p>we are still in the infancy of the technology so its adoption is being driven primarily by those interested in promoting the gear. So the ideas are weak. Eventually it will all trickle down, hopefully, or settle into those areas that can afford the (in-the)RED camera and the ideas will come out and the gear will be secondary. </p>
<p>At that point, either this new niche or form is created, whatever it is, or it gets absorbed into already established forms like commercials, documentary, film, television.</p>
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		<title>By: robert wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is interesting to compare the two vids, the first one is pretty average bts, the beckinsdale shoot is more interesting because it show you the problem all this convergence brings.

Where the vid is clumsy is where you have the video doubling the still shoot, but the lighting is not right for video, so it has none of the drama of the still shoot. The other thing you run in to is that you don&#039;t have the subject&#039;s attention-the weaker stuff is when she is paying attention to the &quot;real&quot; shoot going on, so it loses the viewer there. 

On the whole it tries very hard to be a music video but since the loyalty is divided it does not really come off, the best part is the ending and credits where he uses the walk off screen to segue into the credits. 

I think overall it highlights the issue that for film or whatever you want to call it, you need a storyboard and a sense of how the shots are going to relate. Just taking a bunch of over the shoulder stuff is not going to cut it.

there is a reason why we pay to see films and don&#039;t pay to see film stills or go to see museum shows of film stills....the stills photography is the ugly stepchild and suffers for it  not being a priority.

same thing for this but in reverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is interesting to compare the two vids, the first one is pretty average bts, the beckinsdale shoot is more interesting because it show you the problem all this convergence brings.</p>
<p>Where the vid is clumsy is where you have the video doubling the still shoot, but the lighting is not right for video, so it has none of the drama of the still shoot. The other thing you run in to is that you don&#8217;t have the subject&#8217;s attention-the weaker stuff is when she is paying attention to the &#8220;real&#8221; shoot going on, so it loses the viewer there. </p>
<p>On the whole it tries very hard to be a music video but since the loyalty is divided it does not really come off, the best part is the ending and credits where he uses the walk off screen to segue into the credits. </p>
<p>I think overall it highlights the issue that for film or whatever you want to call it, you need a storyboard and a sense of how the shots are going to relate. Just taking a bunch of over the shoulder stuff is not going to cut it.</p>
<p>there is a reason why we pay to see films and don&#8217;t pay to see film stills or go to see museum shows of film stills&#8230;.the stills photography is the ugly stepchild and suffers for it  not being a priority.</p>
<p>same thing for this but in reverse.</p>
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		<title>By: john mcd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>john mcd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest technology has been used to produce, in these two cases, unremarkable images, hybrid images.Iit&#039;s still about the end product, the pictures, isn&#039;t it? I can&#039;t imagine Avedon or Newton jumping on this bandwagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest technology has been used to produce, in these two cases, unremarkable images, hybrid images.Iit&#8217;s still about the end product, the pictures, isn&#8217;t it? I can&#8217;t imagine Avedon or Newton jumping on this bandwagon.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Pinkham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Pinkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good content is good. Bad content is bad no matter how it is served up.

The rest is just packaging isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good content is good. Bad content is bad no matter how it is served up.</p>
<p>The rest is just packaging isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Phelps</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52805</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we&#039;re agreed that it&#039;s all about the content, whatever the medium. And some guy jogging down a beach looking moody or a bird flouncing around in her pants trying not to look self-conscious does not content make. They may warrant a glance as a still frame, but five minutes of my time? At least tell me a story. The world&#039;s already full of vapid tv, in case anyone hadn&#039;t noticed. 

There&#039;s a place for both stills and &quot;living art&quot; in the future, along with stop motion, (Dan Chung just did a nice one on a Chinese military parade), slideshows, drawings, animation, cgi, or whatever, but getting hung up on one technology over another is just missing the point. It&#039;s the gearhead&#039;s response. Next year it&#039;ll be vr, holographic projections or brainstem hookups, and they&#039;ll all be saying video&#039;s dead. If reading had disappeared with the invention of the phonograph then I could see something in this, but video has limited uses like any other medium. Essentially the experience is too passive - it lacks the interactivity and immediacy of reading text and pictures. You can&#039;t take some things in at a glance, linger over others, pause for thought, re-read, or cross-reference in anything like the same fluid manner. Gawping is the past, not the future. 

And as for magazine stands stacked with motion covers - c&#039;mon. What advantage does buying an e-paper magazine have over downloading the magazine to your own e-paper device? Get a grip.

Oh, and I can stir my coffee with an electric drill, but using a spoon doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m a luddite. I was totally convinced of the move from film to digital from day one. This, Giullio, is very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;re agreed that it&#8217;s all about the content, whatever the medium. And some guy jogging down a beach looking moody or a bird flouncing around in her pants trying not to look self-conscious does not content make. They may warrant a glance as a still frame, but five minutes of my time? At least tell me a story. The world&#8217;s already full of vapid tv, in case anyone hadn&#8217;t noticed. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a place for both stills and &#8220;living art&#8221; in the future, along with stop motion, (Dan Chung just did a nice one on a Chinese military parade), slideshows, drawings, animation, cgi, or whatever, but getting hung up on one technology over another is just missing the point. It&#8217;s the gearhead&#8217;s response. Next year it&#8217;ll be vr, holographic projections or brainstem hookups, and they&#8217;ll all be saying video&#8217;s dead. If reading had disappeared with the invention of the phonograph then I could see something in this, but video has limited uses like any other medium. Essentially the experience is too passive &#8211; it lacks the interactivity and immediacy of reading text and pictures. You can&#8217;t take some things in at a glance, linger over others, pause for thought, re-read, or cross-reference in anything like the same fluid manner. Gawping is the past, not the future. </p>
<p>And as for magazine stands stacked with motion covers &#8211; c&#8217;mon. What advantage does buying an e-paper magazine have over downloading the magazine to your own e-paper device? Get a grip.</p>
<p>Oh, and I can stir my coffee with an electric drill, but using a spoon doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m a luddite. I was totally convinced of the move from film to digital from day one. This, Giullio, is very different.</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh think of all the trees it will save.  ahem</description>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 5 to Alexx Henry for being a very engaging and smart entrepreneur who sees a market, coins a phrase, and convinces everyone that they need to have it.    Who picked up the tab here though...I am guessing Outside Magazine didn&#039;t, well at least not all of it.  I&#039;m guessing Alexx got his vendors to contribute (note the long list at the end) or Red One, considering they get a free viral ad every time Alexx makes &quot;moving art&quot;.  Alexx does for Red One what Vincent Laforet did for Canon 5D, and god bless them both for laughing all the way to the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi 5 to Alexx Henry for being a very engaging and smart entrepreneur who sees a market, coins a phrase, and convinces everyone that they need to have it.    Who picked up the tab here though&#8230;I am guessing Outside Magazine didn&#8217;t, well at least not all of it.  I&#8217;m guessing Alexx got his vendors to contribute (note the long list at the end) or Red One, considering they get a free viral ad every time Alexx makes &#8220;moving art&#8221;.  Alexx does for Red One what Vincent Laforet did for Canon 5D, and god bless them both for laughing all the way to the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: robert wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just because something moves does not make it interesting. When we talk about motion or video or motos were are really talking about film and cinema, and the defining characteristic of cinema is editing-the cutting from one frame to another. It is the cutting that defines film. The reason all of these experiments are looking dull is that there is nothing new created here-it is editing that creates meaning. 

If a magazine cover could tell a story with moving images and editing it might work, but this to me seems like a commercial-15 seconds of a little story. The trouble with commercials is that they are really a product of television, and television was a medium defined by flow, at least in the beginning. You could not change channels, or the flow of the program made you not change channels so you sat through the commercial.

Flow is unique to television since &quot;they&quot; program the flow. So good luck trying to position commercials in other areas, we have too much control now.

My prediction is that motion for motion sake will be like 3D for 3D-sake, a gimmick that will not last long. 

Don&#039;t get me started on the effects of media consolidation caused by technology-the only reason we are getting the red shoved down our throats as content producers is that it suits the suits. Nearly all of the defining imagery of the twentieth century was created by one person with one camera-so tell me why exactly we want to lay a dolly track now for every &quot;shot&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just because something moves does not make it interesting. When we talk about motion or video or motos were are really talking about film and cinema, and the defining characteristic of cinema is editing-the cutting from one frame to another. It is the cutting that defines film. The reason all of these experiments are looking dull is that there is nothing new created here-it is editing that creates meaning. </p>
<p>If a magazine cover could tell a story with moving images and editing it might work, but this to me seems like a commercial-15 seconds of a little story. The trouble with commercials is that they are really a product of television, and television was a medium defined by flow, at least in the beginning. You could not change channels, or the flow of the program made you not change channels so you sat through the commercial.</p>
<p>Flow is unique to television since &#8220;they&#8221; program the flow. So good luck trying to position commercials in other areas, we have too much control now.</p>
<p>My prediction is that motion for motion sake will be like 3D for 3D-sake, a gimmick that will not last long. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on the effects of media consolidation caused by technology-the only reason we are getting the red shoved down our throats as content producers is that it suits the suits. Nearly all of the defining imagery of the twentieth century was created by one person with one camera-so tell me why exactly we want to lay a dolly track now for every &#8220;shot&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: A Photo Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Photo Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@El Cee Dee, 
You&#039;re missing nothing except that if you were an outdodor magazine that one day decided to put a guy with his shirt off on the cover for a workout package and suddenly that was the best selling issue of the year so you decide to do it every year except there&#039;s diminishing returns so you have to kick it up a notch in some way each time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@El Cee Dee,<br />
You&#8217;re missing nothing except that if you were an outdodor magazine that one day decided to put a guy with his shirt off on the cover for a workout package and suddenly that was the best selling issue of the year so you decide to do it every year except there&#8217;s diminishing returns so you have to kick it up a notch in some way each time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus Blinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesus Blinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anon, 

Laying dolly track, and catering, for this...?

http://i44.tinypic.com/2lkr4ew.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anon, </p>
<p>Laying dolly track, and catering, for this&#8230;?</p>
<p><a href="http://i44.tinypic.com/2lkr4ew.gif" rel="nofollow">http://i44.tinypic.com/2lkr4ew.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Moat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Moat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing really new here. Dirck Halstead over at Digital Journalist has been pushing video, combined with stills skills, for over a decade.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/

So the internet is being molded to become more like television, and now magazines are being molded to become more like television. Why must every media become television?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing really new here. Dirck Halstead over at Digital Journalist has been pushing video, combined with stills skills, for over a decade.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitaljournalist.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitaljournalist.org/</a></p>
<p>So the internet is being molded to become more like television, and now magazines are being molded to become more like television. Why must every media become television?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Goldwasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Goldwasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pete Bohler, 
Who has time to read all these blog posts let alone, post to the comments. Get back to work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pete Bohler,<br />
Who has time to read all these blog posts let alone, post to the comments. Get back to work!</p>
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		<title>By: Kwaku Kufuor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwaku Kufuor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marshall McKinney, There are some valid points in most of the comments but this is by far the best argument about this still motion editorial trend we are getting into. Yes, there will be are healthy demand for motion images in the future and yes, still images will continue to grow. But what is really hurting the editorial market today in terms of content? In my opinion, magazines underestimating the intelligence and sophistication of their readers by producing safe, trendy (yes trendy) images they see over and over. 
Esquire is one of my favourite magazines and I would love to shoot for them. But substituting great images and stories with how images were captured with high tech Red cameras, not so moving. I think they would be better off with Greg Williams&#039; still photography. A great idea would be advertising a new issue with a moving cover, like the way &quot;Quantum of Solace&quot; was promoted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marshall McKinney, There are some valid points in most of the comments but this is by far the best argument about this still motion editorial trend we are getting into. Yes, there will be are healthy demand for motion images in the future and yes, still images will continue to grow. But what is really hurting the editorial market today in terms of content? In my opinion, magazines underestimating the intelligence and sophistication of their readers by producing safe, trendy (yes trendy) images they see over and over.<br />
Esquire is one of my favourite magazines and I would love to shoot for them. But substituting great images and stories with how images were captured with high tech Red cameras, not so moving. I think they would be better off with Greg Williams&#8217; still photography. A great idea would be advertising a new issue with a moving cover, like the way &#8220;Quantum of Solace&#8221; was promoted.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew pace</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew pace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all pretty much know what editorial rates are at their best. Someone here took a big loss or had a great sponsor. I don&#039;t see where rates will match the costs of a full crew and its equipment unless we&#039;re talking about Ads , as in advertorials in one form or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all pretty much know what editorial rates are at their best. Someone here took a big loss or had a great sponsor. I don&#8217;t see where rates will match the costs of a full crew and its equipment unless we&#8217;re talking about Ads , as in advertorials in one form or another.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart rayner</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart rayner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey , Alexxxxx Henry is making &#039;&#039;living art &quot; man give the guy a break . although living art is a mouthful , maybe he should shorten it to &quot; video&quot; .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey , Alexxxxx Henry is making &#8221;living art &#8221; man give the guy a break . although living art is a mouthful , maybe he should shorten it to &#8221; video&#8221; .</p>
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		<title>By: marco patino</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52791</link>
		<dc:creator>marco patino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Santa:
So all I want for Christmas is a trio of Red cameras, gear and a tech/production crew. Um, oh and a budget, haha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Santa:<br />
So all I want for Christmas is a trio of Red cameras, gear and a tech/production crew. Um, oh and a budget, haha!</p>
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		<title>By: olivier laude</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52788</link>
		<dc:creator>olivier laude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@El Cee Dee, missing nothin&#039;...</description>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these guys are out on set creating and pushing limits. kudos to em&#039; !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these guys are out on set creating and pushing limits. kudos to em&#8217; !</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52780</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving covers...?

You mean, like with my Cracker Jack surprises in the 70&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving covers&#8230;?</p>
<p>You mean, like with my Cracker Jack surprises in the 70&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Massive environmental problem waiting to happen. A billion tiny screens dumped into the ground. Until the delivery technology changes, this ain&#039;t gonna happen.</description>
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		<title>By: El Cee Dee</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52778</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cee Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all these magazines dying, could it be that we&#039;ve simply reached the saturation point, with information and stories thrust in our faces? We&#039;ve got email blasted automatically into our iPhones; we&#039;ve got Text Messages coming at us left and right; we go to the john in a restaurant, and there&#039;s Larry King talking to some jaded celebrity, over the urinal; we come back into the restaurant and there are twelve 60&quot; wall mounted televisions screaming at us; we fall asleep on the sofa with a MacBook Pro next to us, with Facebook updates. How the hell could a monthly magazine keep up with that pace, even if it was &quot;moving&quot;?

And somebody tell me what was worth writing that check for that beach thing? Just a guy running down the beach, with some side fill...? That content was worth that Purchase Order?

And if the magazines are dying off, due to lack of advertising, how many guys running down the beach could one issue support? 

The only time I *ever* buy a magazine is when I&#039;m in an airport, and yesterday, my American flight offered WIFI, so that&#039;s the last bastion eaten up right there.

What am I gonna do, carry a 15&quot; laptop, and also some kind of electronic ink magazine in my bag too? Why would I do that? Why wouldn&#039;t I just look at a web page? What am I missing here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all these magazines dying, could it be that we&#8217;ve simply reached the saturation point, with information and stories thrust in our faces? We&#8217;ve got email blasted automatically into our iPhones; we&#8217;ve got Text Messages coming at us left and right; we go to the john in a restaurant, and there&#8217;s Larry King talking to some jaded celebrity, over the urinal; we come back into the restaurant and there are twelve 60&#8243; wall mounted televisions screaming at us; we fall asleep on the sofa with a MacBook Pro next to us, with Facebook updates. How the hell could a monthly magazine keep up with that pace, even if it was &#8220;moving&#8221;?</p>
<p>And somebody tell me what was worth writing that check for that beach thing? Just a guy running down the beach, with some side fill&#8230;? That content was worth that Purchase Order?</p>
<p>And if the magazines are dying off, due to lack of advertising, how many guys running down the beach could one issue support? </p>
<p>The only time I *ever* buy a magazine is when I&#8217;m in an airport, and yesterday, my American flight offered WIFI, so that&#8217;s the last bastion eaten up right there.</p>
<p>What am I gonna do, carry a 15&#8243; laptop, and also some kind of electronic ink magazine in my bag too? Why would I do that? Why wouldn&#8217;t I just look at a web page? What am I missing here?</p>
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		<title>By: olivier laude</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009/10/06/more-magazine-covers-shot-with-red-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-52777</link>
		<dc:creator>olivier laude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@laurence zankowski, very compeling and interesting argument laurence..I think you are very right, this could get very complicated....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@laurence zankowski, very compeling and interesting argument laurence..I think you are very right, this could get very complicated&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@olivier laude, Here, here!

All I know is that I use a pirated version of Photoshop and Lightroom etc. ect, download movies to watch for &quot;free&quot; as well as all my music.  Not a cent paid. Good luck with going digital, old media.

I did, however, buy a book last month (yes, a real one - I prefer them) as well as a magazine at the newstand along with my subs. and the Sunday NYT twice to have the magazine in the flesh. Yes, I prefer the real one because of it&#039;s content on the printed page...and their photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@olivier laude, Here, here!</p>
<p>All I know is that I use a pirated version of Photoshop and Lightroom etc. ect, download movies to watch for &#8220;free&#8221; as well as all my music.  Not a cent paid. Good luck with going digital, old media.</p>
<p>I did, however, buy a book last month (yes, a real one &#8211; I prefer them) as well as a magazine at the newstand along with my subs. and the Sunday NYT twice to have the magazine in the flesh. Yes, I prefer the real one because of it&#8217;s content on the printed page&#8230;and their photos.</p>
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		<title>By: c.d.embrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>c.d.embrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@laurence zankowski, 
Local 600 already represents still photographers and publicists.</description>
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Local 600 already represents still photographers and publicists.</p>
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		<title>By: c.d.embrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>c.d.embrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@laurence zankowski, 
Actually getting Local 600 involved would be a good thing. They have a pay rate (scale) that they have negotiated. There are no rules against working over scale many people do.

I&#039;m always surprised that people who need a union most are anti-union. 

Rental houses in L.A. have been renting to non-union companies, no big deal.

I&#039;m retired from the IATSE now, but I worked NABET and non-union shows as well. Just don&#039;t rub their face in it, i.e don&#039;t light up six blocks of Hollywood Blvd. for a night scene for a non-union show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@laurence zankowski,<br />
Actually getting Local 600 involved would be a good thing. They have a pay rate (scale) that they have negotiated. There are no rules against working over scale many people do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always surprised that people who need a union most are anti-union. </p>
<p>Rental houses in L.A. have been renting to non-union companies, no big deal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m retired from the IATSE now, but I worked NABET and non-union shows as well. Just don&#8217;t rub their face in it, i.e don&#8217;t light up six blocks of Hollywood Blvd. for a night scene for a non-union show.</p>
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