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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-67833</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Is there a photo editing program that contains templates, frames, filters, etc. that I could use to enhance my own photos before I sell them.  I have  Microsoft Digital imaging suite, but it retains all of its copy rights.

Thanks for your help.
Christy in Maryland</description>
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<p>Is there a photo editing program that contains templates, frames, filters, etc. that I could use to enhance my own photos before I sell them.  I have  Microsoft Digital imaging suite, but it retains all of its copy rights.</p>
<p>Thanks for your help.<br />
Christy in Maryland</p>
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		<title>By: Stop doing $200 shoots &#8211; APhotoEditor is on a roll &#124; dvafoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop doing $200 shoots &#8211; APhotoEditor is on a roll &#124; dvafoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Commercial Photographer Income &#171; griffineyes</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58672</link>
		<dc:creator>Commercial Photographer Income &#171; griffineyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Warden</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58540</link>
		<dc:creator>James Warden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul O&#039;Mara, Yeah it can add up. In Illinois it&#039;s $750

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/business_services/publications_and_forms/llc.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul O&#8217;Mara, Yeah it can add up. In Illinois it&#8217;s $750</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/business_services/publications_and_forms/llc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/business_services/publications_and_forms/llc.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58401</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul O&#039;Mara,  My accounting costs as an LLC are no more than my accountant charges were as a sole prop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul O&#8217;Mara,  My accounting costs as an LLC are no more than my accountant charges were as a sole prop.</p>
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		<title>By: &#60;3 &#171; Beyond the Mundane</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58396</link>
		<dc:creator>&#60;3 &#171; Beyond the Mundane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s a great article about how much commercial photographers made last year. It&#8217;s interesting to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fill Bowne</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58374</link>
		<dc:creator>Fill Bowne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul O&#039;Mara, 

Not really sure why your accountant advised against protecting yourself from lawsuit. You might want to find someone who specializes in our field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul O&#8217;Mara, </p>
<p>Not really sure why your accountant advised against protecting yourself from lawsuit. You might want to find someone who specializes in our field.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Mara</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58373</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O'Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Warden as best as I can remember, my gross sales numbers are at a level that in the long run will cost me more for reporting and accounting than the benefit I can get from LLC or S.  

It is apparent from the other responses that the decision varies from state to state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Warden as best as I can remember, my gross sales numbers are at a level that in the long run will cost me more for reporting and accounting than the benefit I can get from LLC or S.  </p>
<p>It is apparent from the other responses that the decision varies from state to state.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58372</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris Schultz, 

I live in the East and my state is a little more pro business than California.  My yearly cost for my LLC is $100.00.  There is hardly any paperwork associated with the LLC.  However, I do have personal property tax to pay and a gross receipts tax payable to my county but that would apply to an S, LLC or sole prop.

Each state is different.  Just because California is difficult does not mean that it is not worth pursuing.  Putting 52K away a year for retirement sure beats less than 20K in a SEP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Schultz, </p>
<p>I live in the East and my state is a little more pro business than California.  My yearly cost for my LLC is $100.00.  There is hardly any paperwork associated with the LLC.  However, I do have personal property tax to pay and a gross receipts tax payable to my county but that would apply to an S, LLC or sole prop.</p>
<p>Each state is different.  Just because California is difficult does not mean that it is not worth pursuing.  Putting 52K away a year for retirement sure beats less than 20K in a SEP.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Kaminesky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Kaminesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anthony, I concur with your point on photographers underbidding each other. In a down market too many photographers panic and rush to undercut the competition. This results in the devaluation of what we offer as services. 

If you give a client a big discount in a bad economy or for any other reason they are highly unlikely to offer you an equal increase in your fees once the economy gets back on track. There has to be give and take, fair compromises must be made during tough times. Communication between photographer and client is key but somehow we don&#039;t seem to have that kind of communication between photographers resulting in ridiculous underbidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anthony, I concur with your point on photographers underbidding each other. In a down market too many photographers panic and rush to undercut the competition. This results in the devaluation of what we offer as services. </p>
<p>If you give a client a big discount in a bad economy or for any other reason they are highly unlikely to offer you an equal increase in your fees once the economy gets back on track. There has to be give and take, fair compromises must be made during tough times. Communication between photographer and client is key but somehow we don&#8217;t seem to have that kind of communication between photographers resulting in ridiculous underbidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58358</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you keep posting these, Rob.  There&#039;s a good lesson in there, that even in these so-called &quot;tough times&quot; photographers can still make an assload of money (compared to regular working stiffs who hate their jobs).  Maybe if more people see this the panic will die down a little and all the jokers out there will stop desperately trying to underbid one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you keep posting these, Rob.  There&#8217;s a good lesson in there, that even in these so-called &#8220;tough times&#8221; photographers can still make an assload of money (compared to regular working stiffs who hate their jobs).  Maybe if more people see this the panic will die down a little and all the jokers out there will stop desperately trying to underbid one another.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Schultz</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58351</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bruce, LLC depends completely on the state you operate in. 

For example, California literally despises LLC and makes you pay for it through extravagant taxes and paperwork. 

A few years ago, the operating tax alone was over $1,000. To me that&#039;s a new shiny toy. Can&#039;t imagine what it is now with all of the tax hikes in California. I&#039;m sure this isn&#039;t the only state who won&#039;t recognize LLCs too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bruce, LLC depends completely on the state you operate in. </p>
<p>For example, California literally despises LLC and makes you pay for it through extravagant taxes and paperwork. </p>
<p>A few years ago, the operating tax alone was over $1,000. To me that&#8217;s a new shiny toy. Can&#8217;t imagine what it is now with all of the tax hikes in California. I&#8217;m sure this isn&#8217;t the only state who won&#8217;t recognize LLCs too.</p>
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		<title>By: James Warden</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58349</link>
		<dc:creator>James Warden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul O&#039;Mara, 

Why were you advised against LLC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul O&#8217;Mara, </p>
<p>Why were you advised against LLC?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58346</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think having yourself as an LLC or a S corporation is important.  My accountant had me change over to an LLC so I can contribute more to my retirement account.  My financial manager set-up a &quot;my 401&quot; account and I&#039;ve been maxing out every year at close to 50K in contributions.  That is divided between the LLC contribution and personal contribution.  This has been a major success for me.

Also, young guys and gals, start contributing to your retirement accounts now.  Every penny that you can even if is just a ROTH account.  Time is your greatest ally when planning for the future.  If you want to go low cost look at the Vanguard funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think having yourself as an LLC or a S corporation is important.  My accountant had me change over to an LLC so I can contribute more to my retirement account.  My financial manager set-up a &#8220;my 401&#8243; account and I&#8217;ve been maxing out every year at close to 50K in contributions.  That is divided between the LLC contribution and personal contribution.  This has been a major success for me.</p>
<p>Also, young guys and gals, start contributing to your retirement accounts now.  Every penny that you can even if is just a ROTH account.  Time is your greatest ally when planning for the future.  If you want to go low cost look at the Vanguard funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Meade</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58342</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul O&#039;Mara, 

Hey Paul! funny seeing you here lol..
(I&#039;m an ASMP SE member in ATL, I doubt you know me lol)

Great to see these kinds of real world numbers... but hard for someone like me (one who has yet to do any significant business) to relate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul O&#8217;Mara, </p>
<p>Hey Paul! funny seeing you here lol..<br />
(I&#8217;m an ASMP SE member in ATL, I doubt you know me lol)</p>
<p>Great to see these kinds of real world numbers&#8230; but hard for someone like me (one who has yet to do any significant business) to relate.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58341</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post. It&#039;s funny how little discussion exists out there regarding $$$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post. It&#8217;s funny how little discussion exists out there regarding $$$</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hamlin</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58320</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hamlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wonder how many have done a very thorough business plan/then if it has been a while why hasn&#039;t it been updated. If a plan is over, I would say four years, then it needs to be updated. When you do the market analysis you should have an idea of whether you are operating efficiently or not. 

I think the first guy has tight control on his expenses and also part of his expenses could be dividends paid.  The net is nice number  but is it after taxes?

I look at photog #4 and all I see is someone that needs to have more control since he is not sure he will be able to deduct certain expenses. A relationship with a good accountant is important. Then again if business owner uses a  program like quick books why wouldn&#039;t the deductions be there? Also photog #4 may be able to make more with a studio. I am just guessing at this point, I would think that at least where there is a coop studio available it might be something to consider, and for all I know he may be doing just that and it may be time to find his own. JMHO.

I say all this after attending the California Pro Photo Expo meeting and seeing a small smattering of the competition. I think there is a lot of business out there that can be won by exceptional craftsmanship, and great marketing. My weak point is marketing, I am fortunate though to have someone that is great at marketing, and I can learn to be better at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wonder how many have done a very thorough business plan/then if it has been a while why hasn&#8217;t it been updated. If a plan is over, I would say four years, then it needs to be updated. When you do the market analysis you should have an idea of whether you are operating efficiently or not. </p>
<p>I think the first guy has tight control on his expenses and also part of his expenses could be dividends paid.  The net is nice number  but is it after taxes?</p>
<p>I look at photog #4 and all I see is someone that needs to have more control since he is not sure he will be able to deduct certain expenses. A relationship with a good accountant is important. Then again if business owner uses a  program like quick books why wouldn&#8217;t the deductions be there? Also photog #4 may be able to make more with a studio. I am just guessing at this point, I would think that at least where there is a coop studio available it might be something to consider, and for all I know he may be doing just that and it may be time to find his own. JMHO.</p>
<p>I say all this after attending the California Pro Photo Expo meeting and seeing a small smattering of the competition. I think there is a lot of business out there that can be won by exceptional craftsmanship, and great marketing. My weak point is marketing, I am fortunate though to have someone that is great at marketing, and I can learn to be better at it.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58315</link>
		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Portcullis, 

Just thinking more or less the exact same thing.  I guess it drives the hits.  Or maybe it&#039;s the Cosmo/Men&#039;s Health model - sex positions your partner will enjoy/how to lose weight in 30 days.

Coming next week:  1 more anonymous photographer tells us his income 4 years ago!  Quick, everyone discuss the changes in between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Portcullis, </p>
<p>Just thinking more or less the exact same thing.  I guess it drives the hits.  Or maybe it&#8217;s the Cosmo/Men&#8217;s Health model &#8211; sex positions your partner will enjoy/how to lose weight in 30 days.</p>
<p>Coming next week:  1 more anonymous photographer tells us his income 4 years ago!  Quick, everyone discuss the changes in between.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Emberger</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58313</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Emberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Young Photog, 

With out knowing the market they are in, that could be cheap! Primary, secondary, and tertiary markets all have different Costs of living. Add to that, 1 primary market can be different from another. 

Just look at what square footage costs in Manhattan compared to LA. 

And, we don&#039;t know the size or experience of the staff being shared, nor the number of photogs splitting the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Young Photog, </p>
<p>With out knowing the market they are in, that could be cheap! Primary, secondary, and tertiary markets all have different Costs of living. Add to that, 1 primary market can be different from another. </p>
<p>Just look at what square footage costs in Manhattan compared to LA. </p>
<p>And, we don&#8217;t know the size or experience of the staff being shared, nor the number of photogs splitting the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Mara</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58308</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O'Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we&#039;re getting somewhere.  Finally a few numbers that sound more in line with us regular types.  It would be instructive to see how the businesses are set up.  The last indicated sole-proprietor which is how I file.  My accountant has repeatedly advised me against LLC or other such permutations.  

Photographer business advice-- Get a good accountant.  A good one is not someone who only gives you good news!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we&#8217;re getting somewhere.  Finally a few numbers that sound more in line with us regular types.  It would be instructive to see how the businesses are set up.  The last indicated sole-proprietor which is how I file.  My accountant has repeatedly advised me against LLC or other such permutations.  </p>
<p>Photographer business advice&#8211; Get a good accountant.  A good one is not someone who only gives you good news!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Kaminesky</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58306</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Kaminesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the interesting look at the subject of photographer&#039;s income and for the follow up. During challenging times like this it&#039;s good to know that with hard work, talent and patience there is still potential for a photographer to make a living doing what he or she loves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the interesting look at the subject of photographer&#8217;s income and for the follow up. During challenging times like this it&#8217;s good to know that with hard work, talent and patience there is still potential for a photographer to make a living doing what he or she loves.</p>
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		<title>By: deirdre</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58304</link>
		<dc:creator>deirdre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know how to get the attention of those that hire commercial photographers. What stock agency are you with? 
Thanks :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know how to get the attention of those that hire commercial photographers. What stock agency are you with?<br />
Thanks :D</p>
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		<title>By: Portcullis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Portcullis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does all this remind me a little of one of those ishotmybeaver amateur porn sites?  But without the beaver reward.</description>
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		<title>By: Young Photog</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/02/08/commercial-photographer-income/#comment-58301</link>
		<dc:creator>Young Photog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Photographer 1, fixed overhead seems huge. 120k for rent and a staff shared with other photographers?!?!?   There has to be a way to cut that way down...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Photographer 1, fixed overhead seems huge. 120k for rent and a staff shared with other photographers?!?!?   There has to be a way to cut that way down&#8230;</p>
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