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		<title>By: DPStudent</title>
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		<description>Great tips,

I am at the moment interested in tools that search the web for potential infringements. Could you please provide some links to such tools ?</description>
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<p>I am at the moment interested in tools that search the web for potential infringements. Could you please provide some links to such tools ?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Guest Post &#8211; Finding and Using Images for Your Blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Advice on unrequested use of one of my pictures</title>
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		<description>[...] about asking an actual attorney for legal advice?  Boom.  Everyone should read this, really.     __________________ Photo This [...]</description>
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		<description>Just getting started in photography, EditElf.com has give me a huge advantage over well established photographers.  I dont have to buy expensive editing software,learn all the tricks, and waste time on my computer.  I started shooting weddings because I love photography and I love people, so thats what I spend my time doing!</description>
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		<title>By: Worth a read: Copyright Corner &#124; dvafoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth a read: Copyright Corner &#124; dvafoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Fair Use Information Center, Carolyn E. Wright&#8217;s Photo Attorney blog (and see her recent guest post at A Photo Editor on dealing with infringements), and Matt Slaby&#8217;s Legal Left, Meet Creative Right [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dealing with Infringers &#124; Attorneys Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the circumstances of the infringement, and what damages you can recover.  My guest post at &#8220;A Photo Editor&#8221; blog provides more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dealing with Infringers &#124; Attorney Legal Blog</title>
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		<description>[...] the circumstances of the infringement, and what damages you can recover.  My guest post at &#8220;A Photo Editor&#8221; blog provides more [...]</description>
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		<description>[...] Over at A Photo Editor blog, the question came up on what to do when your image has been used without your permission.  To get the straight scoop, APE contacted Carolyn E. Wright, Esq. of the Photo Attorney Blog who did a great job of explaining all the different avenues that can be taken if this happens.  It&#8217;s always good to keep this info in mind, you know, just in case some foreign car company snags your images off of Flickr for one of their ads.  You can read the whole article here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#62;Re: PHOTO &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Copyright</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#62;Re: PHOTO &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Copyright</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] ago Wright made a great post on another blog I look at regularly, A Photo Editor, in an article Photographers- How To Deal With Infringements and one of the benefits of not mentioning it here immediately is that this has now attracted quite [...]</description>
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		<description>[...] Rob Haggart of A Photo Editor writes a lengthy post on how to deal with infringements. Read more here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links &#8211; February 12, 2010 &#171; Beautiful Flower Pictures Blog: Floral Photography by Patty Hankins</title>
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		<title>By: Have you ever needed to deal with infringments? &#124; House</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seattle Workshop Images: The Great Pacific Northwest &#124; LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the Web: Trashed Portfolios? &#8211; at Heather Morton&#8217;s Blog. How to Deal With Infringers: An important post at APE. A new blog I found: Chris Orwig. Nice work. Nick Onken has a new site. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You write   &quot;Unless you created the work outside of the United States and in a country that is a signatory to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, you must register your copyright with the U.S. Copyright Office&quot;

When I go to the website for Contracting parties to the Berne Convention I see that the United states enforces it since March 1, 1989.  So why do I need to register copyright if the work is produced in the USA but not another country that is a Berne Convention signatory?</description>
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<p>When I go to the website for Contracting parties to the Berne Convention I see that the United states enforces it since March 1, 1989.  So why do I need to register copyright if the work is produced in the USA but not another country that is a Berne Convention signatory?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Jungblut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas Jungblut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great discussion. Now, except for the idea about sending a PDF that is password protected I feel like everybody is thinking inside the box, no offense. We have great new technology on our fingertips, things we couldn’t dream of a couple years back are possible now, why can’t we come up with a technology that really protects our images? I am a photographer and not an advanced tech wizard but shouldn’t it be possible to do something similar to what Itunes is doing? Create digital files that have a limit of authorization and which are easy to track via the internet somehow. Maybe I am dreaming here but if it is so easy to steal images why can’t it be easy to track or limit their use. There could be a dialog popping up when one tries to open or download the image file stating copyright and contact information of the photographer. 
One has no control over digital files right now, the moment it is sent out who knows where it ends up. Of course it would be difficult to make such a technology not be hindering but which one would be the greater pain, legal issues or sending a password or code or whatever it would be to the person who wants to use your image?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great discussion. Now, except for the idea about sending a PDF that is password protected I feel like everybody is thinking inside the box, no offense. We have great new technology on our fingertips, things we couldn’t dream of a couple years back are possible now, why can’t we come up with a technology that really protects our images? I am a photographer and not an advanced tech wizard but shouldn’t it be possible to do something similar to what Itunes is doing? Create digital files that have a limit of authorization and which are easy to track via the internet somehow. Maybe I am dreaming here but if it is so easy to steal images why can’t it be easy to track or limit their use. There could be a dialog popping up when one tries to open or download the image file stating copyright and contact information of the photographer.<br />
One has no control over digital files right now, the moment it is sent out who knows where it ends up. Of course it would be difficult to make such a technology not be hindering but which one would be the greater pain, legal issues or sending a password or code or whatever it would be to the person who wants to use your image?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Reznicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Reznicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Option #4 – Prepare a Cease and Desist/Demand Letter Yourself
&gt;When you don’t want to alienate the infringer (the infringer is a potential &gt;client and/or appears to be an innocent infringer), you may want to &gt;contact the infringer to explain that the use is not authorized and either &gt;request payment of an appropriate license fee, a photo credit with a link &gt;to your website (as discussed above), or that the infringer cease use of the &gt;image. 
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I have to say, I find #4 in particular, to be horrible advice. 
The LAST people in the world, I&#039;d want as a client is someone who has  infringed ( see also &quot;stolen&quot;) my work. That is not a &quot;client&quot;. It&#039;s a thief and deadbeat that will drive you to bankruptcy court in their Mercedes. 

An honest mistake by a reputable client as to the term of use for a given image can and will be resolved by a simple phone call. Failing that, having a photographer write a demand letter makes as much sense as having a lawyer do a photo shoot.
 
That attitude and idea has really hurt photographers and freelancers right in the pocket book over the years.  “Requesting” payment from an infringer is laughable and lawyers representing infringers treat such requests as jokes - if they address them at all.. I know the answer from them already. I call it the &quot;Whimpy&quot;  defense as in cartoons of &quot;I&#039;ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today&quot;.

I had an infringer offer &quot;future work&quot; in order to pay less for the infringement. 
Sorry, I didn&#039;t fall off a turnip truck yesterday. I said, &quot;Pay me my full amount now, and I&#039;ll give you a big discount on the future work&quot;. Right.
Folks- &quot;future work&quot; is like the tooth fairy or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow- it&#039;s all Fairy Tales. 

And the idea of 3X or even 10X your &quot;regular&quot; fee as a penalty is a flat out stupid concept that should die and be buried.  How can you estimate your &quot;penalty&quot; when you have no written representation of all usages that have been made  nor an assessment from a competent copyright lawyer as to what the infringement could be worth?   The value in court and thus for settlement purposes may exceed 50X &quot;your fee&quot;.  A demand letter sets the tone for the whole approach.  If it comes from a photographer who avoids hiring a professional the recipient knows the photographer is easy pickins.  Photographer vs. Lawyer in a legal fight?  Vegas won&#039;t take action on that absurdity.

I&#039;ve sued for infringement, with Ed Greenberg and frankly, there is nothing like a good old-fashioned Federal lawsuit to get someone to pay close attention to you. I just collected a few weeks ago, a large sum from someone who offered a whole $100 for a prior infringement and future license. I collected far, far more. I wish I could say how much more, but that settlement came with a non-disclosure clause. 

I&#039;ve also collected for a web infringement, really big time, from someone who was taking in a million bucks a year and claimed we&#039;d bankrupt them. Well, in deposition, we found out that was not really true. The nice thing about having your paperwork and registration in order is that when an infringement comes up, I turn over to my lawyer, Ed Greenberg and then he works for a check. He does the work, he&#039;s the professional, and I don&#039;t have to get aggravated.  The Copyright Law has an assortment of specific remedies which photographers can use to get money, statutory damages and yes, even lawyer&#039;s fees.
 
Photographers are upset when clients don&#039;t use a professional photographer, but then why are photographers scared many times to use a professional lawyer to handle legal issues?  Should we also act as our own doctors when surgery is in order?
 
Register all of your work.  If something&#039;s goes wrong get the right person  to fix it. That right person is never a photographer.
 
Jack Reznicki
www.thecopyrightzone.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Option #4 – Prepare a Cease and Desist/Demand Letter Yourself<br />
&gt;When you don’t want to alienate the infringer (the infringer is a potential &gt;client and/or appears to be an innocent infringer), you may want to &gt;contact the infringer to explain that the use is not authorized and either &gt;request payment of an appropriate license fee, a photo credit with a link &gt;to your website (as discussed above), or that the infringer cease use of the &gt;image.<br />
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<p>I have to say, I find #4 in particular, to be horrible advice.<br />
The LAST people in the world, I&#8217;d want as a client is someone who has  infringed ( see also &#8220;stolen&#8221;) my work. That is not a &#8220;client&#8221;. It&#8217;s a thief and deadbeat that will drive you to bankruptcy court in their Mercedes. </p>
<p>An honest mistake by a reputable client as to the term of use for a given image can and will be resolved by a simple phone call. Failing that, having a photographer write a demand letter makes as much sense as having a lawyer do a photo shoot.<br />
 <br />
That attitude and idea has really hurt photographers and freelancers right in the pocket book over the years.  “Requesting” payment from an infringer is laughable and lawyers representing infringers treat such requests as jokes &#8211; if they address them at all.. I know the answer from them already. I call it the &#8220;Whimpy&#8221;  defense as in cartoons of &#8220;I&#8217;ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today&#8221;.</p>
<p>I had an infringer offer &#8220;future work&#8221; in order to pay less for the infringement.<br />
Sorry, I didn&#8217;t fall off a turnip truck yesterday. I said, &#8220;Pay me my full amount now, and I&#8217;ll give you a big discount on the future work&#8221;. Right.<br />
Folks- &#8220;future work&#8221; is like the tooth fairy or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow- it&#8217;s all Fairy Tales. </p>
<p>And the idea of 3X or even 10X your &#8220;regular&#8221; fee as a penalty is a flat out stupid concept that should die and be buried.  How can you estimate your &#8220;penalty&#8221; when you have no written representation of all usages that have been made  nor an assessment from a competent copyright lawyer as to what the infringement could be worth?   The value in court and thus for settlement purposes may exceed 50X &#8220;your fee&#8221;.  A demand letter sets the tone for the whole approach.  If it comes from a photographer who avoids hiring a professional the recipient knows the photographer is easy pickins.  Photographer vs. Lawyer in a legal fight?  Vegas won&#8217;t take action on that absurdity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sued for infringement, with Ed Greenberg and frankly, there is nothing like a good old-fashioned Federal lawsuit to get someone to pay close attention to you. I just collected a few weeks ago, a large sum from someone who offered a whole $100 for a prior infringement and future license. I collected far, far more. I wish I could say how much more, but that settlement came with a non-disclosure clause. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also collected for a web infringement, really big time, from someone who was taking in a million bucks a year and claimed we&#8217;d bankrupt them. Well, in deposition, we found out that was not really true. The nice thing about having your paperwork and registration in order is that when an infringement comes up, I turn over to my lawyer, Ed Greenberg and then he works for a check. He does the work, he&#8217;s the professional, and I don&#8217;t have to get aggravated.  The Copyright Law has an assortment of specific remedies which photographers can use to get money, statutory damages and yes, even lawyer&#8217;s fees.<br />
 <br />
Photographers are upset when clients don&#8217;t use a professional photographer, but then why are photographers scared many times to use a professional lawyer to handle legal issues?  Should we also act as our own doctors when surgery is in order?<br />
 <br />
Register all of your work.  If something&#8217;s goes wrong get the right person  to fix it. That right person is never a photographer.<br />
 <br />
Jack Reznicki<br />
<a href="http://www.thecopyrightzone.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecopyrightzone.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Emberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Emberger</dc:creator>
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		<description>@Mike Shipman, Hey Mike. Thanks for the reply. I too had been watermarking for years. Usually at the bottom of the image. As well as iptc data.

But over the years I began to wonder: &quot;Lots of images used online get cropped, would some one care if they cropped the lower portion of my image to get the basic content?&quot; In some cases probably not.

So I have been considering the center image placement for water marks

Another technique I have considered for proof of authorship harks back to the days of film. I learned to only provide prints that have had a small portion of all the edges cropped off. Not so much as to infringe (no pun intended) on the image content, but enough that if you laid a copy of the photo down and projected the neg around it you could see where the 2 &quot;fit&quot;. Instant proof.

I may do this automatically upon importing my images from now on.

And, I think I will work on making the least offending/center placement watermark I can, as I get my new site built this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Shipman, Hey Mike. Thanks for the reply. I too had been watermarking for years. Usually at the bottom of the image. As well as iptc data.</p>
<p>But over the years I began to wonder: &#8220;Lots of images used online get cropped, would some one care if they cropped the lower portion of my image to get the basic content?&#8221; In some cases probably not.</p>
<p>So I have been considering the center image placement for water marks</p>
<p>Another technique I have considered for proof of authorship harks back to the days of film. I learned to only provide prints that have had a small portion of all the edges cropped off. Not so much as to infringe (no pun intended) on the image content, but enough that if you laid a copy of the photo down and projected the neg around it you could see where the 2 &#8220;fit&#8221;. Instant proof.</p>
<p>I may do this automatically upon importing my images from now on.</p>
<p>And, I think I will work on making the least offending/center placement watermark I can, as I get my new site built this week.</p>
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		<title>By: An Art Director</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Art Director</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you photographers, but I think you have to band together and change the system a bit. I am speaking specifically about a bank that buys a photograph for a calendar and doesn&#039;t communicate after getting the digital file. This is really bad. 

Please, please promise me (cause I love you) that you will get a PO before turning over any digital files. Even payment if you can. If I go on Getty to buy images, I have to pay before I get to download! I know, seems crazy. If I buy any kind of digital product, like Adobe programs, etc, I have to pay before I download. You should hold yourself to the same standards, don&#039;t give into the client. If they really want/need it, they will make it work. I work with many large corporations (like banks) that are watching every penny, so if you turn over files and are not paid and don&#039;t have a PO, the person who &#039;purchased&#039; your image might not be authorized to do so. 

Good luck. It will take a crowd to change the industry standard. The digital world has made people want files in an instant. That should mean you get paid in an instant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you photographers, but I think you have to band together and change the system a bit. I am speaking specifically about a bank that buys a photograph for a calendar and doesn&#8217;t communicate after getting the digital file. This is really bad. </p>
<p>Please, please promise me (cause I love you) that you will get a PO before turning over any digital files. Even payment if you can. If I go on Getty to buy images, I have to pay before I get to download! I know, seems crazy. If I buy any kind of digital product, like Adobe programs, etc, I have to pay before I download. You should hold yourself to the same standards, don&#8217;t give into the client. If they really want/need it, they will make it work. I work with many large corporations (like banks) that are watching every penny, so if you turn over files and are not paid and don&#8217;t have a PO, the person who &#8216;purchased&#8217; your image might not be authorized to do so. </p>
<p>Good luck. It will take a crowd to change the industry standard. The digital world has made people want files in an instant. That should mean you get paid in an instant.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie kripke</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie kripke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After trying to get a magazine in Moscow to pay for over 150 days, and having the stress of getting paid far outweigh the payment itself, I&#039;ve put a new policy into effect:  For all international usage, payment is required in advance, in full, before the image is delivered.

It&#039;s easier than ever with PayPal - you can accept credit cards, and the payment goes through instantly.  So far everyone has paid up front, without complaints, and everyone is happy.

I know this can&#039;t apply to all situations, but it certainly helps alleviate some of the stress of getting paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After trying to get a magazine in Moscow to pay for over 150 days, and having the stress of getting paid far outweigh the payment itself, I&#8217;ve put a new policy into effect:  For all international usage, payment is required in advance, in full, before the image is delivered.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easier than ever with PayPal &#8211; you can accept credit cards, and the payment goes through instantly.  So far everyone has paid up front, without complaints, and everyone is happy.</p>
<p>I know this can&#8217;t apply to all situations, but it certainly helps alleviate some of the stress of getting paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is going to become a growth area for lawyers if nothing else.
Up until last year I dealt with infringers on my own, in most cases it was web  use. The companies would always blame their web people etc etc.
I would go in high and settle for a smaller amount but overall I was happy with 100% of the results.

Last year an english company specialising in data protection used an image from one of their competitors on their website. I work for the competitor and the image was exclusive to them. I also do some non-exclusive stock work for them which they release. This of course left me in an awkward position with my clients and I felt I had to resolve the issue quickly.
I issued the usual take down notice and agreed a fee.
4 months of emails and I handed it over to an IP specialist lawyer.
The company still refuses to see why they should pay, after all they took it off google (its on page 17 of a google search for the right search terms and they passed equally sufficient images in pages 1-16 so I suspect thats not quite the truth) and they took it down immediately.
Thats now 8 months ago and the bill they are facing is 4 times what I invoiced them for.
If it goes to court it will cost them even more in legal fees and they will ultimately have to pay out.
The UK IP lawyer is on a percentage of the payout so its also in their best interests to get the best deal.

Quite often Im billing more for illegal usages than they would legitimately license images from some stock libraries who would discount to get the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is going to become a growth area for lawyers if nothing else.<br />
Up until last year I dealt with infringers on my own, in most cases it was web  use. The companies would always blame their web people etc etc.<br />
I would go in high and settle for a smaller amount but overall I was happy with 100% of the results.</p>
<p>Last year an english company specialising in data protection used an image from one of their competitors on their website. I work for the competitor and the image was exclusive to them. I also do some non-exclusive stock work for them which they release. This of course left me in an awkward position with my clients and I felt I had to resolve the issue quickly.<br />
I issued the usual take down notice and agreed a fee.<br />
4 months of emails and I handed it over to an IP specialist lawyer.<br />
The company still refuses to see why they should pay, after all they took it off google (its on page 17 of a google search for the right search terms and they passed equally sufficient images in pages 1-16 so I suspect thats not quite the truth) and they took it down immediately.<br />
Thats now 8 months ago and the bill they are facing is 4 times what I invoiced them for.<br />
If it goes to court it will cost them even more in legal fees and they will ultimately have to pay out.<br />
The UK IP lawyer is on a percentage of the payout so its also in their best interests to get the best deal.</p>
<p>Quite often Im billing more for illegal usages than they would legitimately license images from some stock libraries who would discount to get the business.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems really important in these tough economic times, both because we need the income and because folks are more likely to steal images. This is great info for me to have. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems really important in these tough economic times, both because we need the income and because folks are more likely to steal images. This is great info for me to have. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuff You&#8217;ll Like &#124; Chuqui 3.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuff You&#8217;ll Like &#124; Chuqui 3.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike Shipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Shipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul Emberger, I was in a workshop about 8 years ago led by Jay Maisel. The same questions were being brought up then in the industry - watermark or no watermark, would a watermark drive away clients, etc. I had been posting my photos online with watermarks for about a year by then. During a group slide show, my first photo came up, with a watermark (nobody else had shown a photo with any identifying marks). 

Jay stopped and told the group &quot;I don&#039;t know why anyone would post anything on the web without a watermark. It&#039;s stupid not to.&quot; That was enough validation for me to always put a watermark on my online images (as well as full IPTC info in the meta data).

I thought it was a no-brainer back then and still do. It doesn&#039;t need to cover the entire image, but does need to be legible and take some effort to remove (so there&#039;s proof of intent if someone does remove it). If it&#039;s a good image, you&#039;ll get a call, watermark or no watermark, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul Emberger, I was in a workshop about 8 years ago led by Jay Maisel. The same questions were being brought up then in the industry &#8211; watermark or no watermark, would a watermark drive away clients, etc. I had been posting my photos online with watermarks for about a year by then. During a group slide show, my first photo came up, with a watermark (nobody else had shown a photo with any identifying marks). </p>
<p>Jay stopped and told the group &#8220;I don&#8217;t know why anyone would post anything on the web without a watermark. It&#8217;s stupid not to.&#8221; That was enough validation for me to always put a watermark on my online images (as well as full IPTC info in the meta data).</p>
<p>I thought it was a no-brainer back then and still do. It doesn&#8217;t need to cover the entire image, but does need to be legible and take some effort to remove (so there&#8217;s proof of intent if someone does remove it). If it&#8217;s a good image, you&#8217;ll get a call, watermark or no watermark, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: QT Luong</title>
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		<dc:creator>QT Luong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; A Dutch Bank buying one of my photographs for a calendar and promptly stopping communication after receiving the file.

Never happened to me, but I always require pre-payment (in general by credit card), except if I have done business before with them, or the company is in the US and confidence-inspiring. 


&gt; Unfortunately I have learned that copyright means nothing if the company has more money than you do.

That&#039;s the other way around. All companies are likely to have more money than you do. On the other hand, if the company does not have enough money, a lawyer may not be interested in taking the case, even if the infringement is blatant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; A Dutch Bank buying one of my photographs for a calendar and promptly stopping communication after receiving the file.</p>
<p>Never happened to me, but I always require pre-payment (in general by credit card), except if I have done business before with them, or the company is in the US and confidence-inspiring. </p>
<p>&gt; Unfortunately I have learned that copyright means nothing if the company has more money than you do.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the other way around. All companies are likely to have more money than you do. On the other hand, if the company does not have enough money, a lawyer may not be interested in taking the case, even if the infringement is blatant.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Ptak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Ptak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another photographer, no stranger to the legal system when protecting his rights, suggested to me that if/when hiring a lawyer for infringements, you should try to negotiate payment as a percentage of your loss - and pay a hefty one if you have to.

His reasoning was twofold, the first is an obvious try not to pay any money up front, if you can avoid it.  His second reason I particularly liked though and it went something like this: Most infringers think that they can wear you down and your legal costs will get to a point when it&#039;s not worth chasing them anymore. However, if your lawyer can truthfuly say that they are not going to let the matter drop because they don&#039;t get paid if they can&#039;t win a settlement, it may make the other party think twice. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another photographer, no stranger to the legal system when protecting his rights, suggested to me that if/when hiring a lawyer for infringements, you should try to negotiate payment as a percentage of your loss &#8211; and pay a hefty one if you have to.</p>
<p>His reasoning was twofold, the first is an obvious try not to pay any money up front, if you can avoid it.  His second reason I particularly liked though and it went something like this: Most infringers think that they can wear you down and your legal costs will get to a point when it&#8217;s not worth chasing them anymore. However, if your lawyer can truthfuly say that they are not going to let the matter drop because they don&#8217;t get paid if they can&#8217;t win a settlement, it may make the other party think twice. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob, 

Let me qualify this, as my question may not be clear.

An image maker residing in the U.S.A. creates images outside the U.S. Is there any legal problem with copyright protection through U.S. copyright laws on these images created outside the country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob, </p>
<p>Let me qualify this, as my question may not be clear.</p>
<p>An image maker residing in the U.S.A. creates images outside the U.S. Is there any legal problem with copyright protection through U.S. copyright laws on these images created outside the country?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hamlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hamlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! I don&#039;t think you can completely eliminate copyright infringement. I think any extra effort to protect beyond registration and water marking hurts the photographer.

Theft/violation of copyright laws actually increases the cost of doing business.  When a photographer has to battle a violation it takes them away from doing what they are suppose to be doing which is being creative. 

I think if there was a partnership with the end users to help battle the theft and peers would ostracize the violators, then maybe there would be a reduction. I would then be limited  to those small companies who don&#039;t hurt the photographer as much financially.

I think peer pressure is a viable tool if applied to those who do violate. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I don&#8217;t think you can completely eliminate copyright infringement. I think any extra effort to protect beyond registration and water marking hurts the photographer.</p>
<p>Theft/violation of copyright laws actually increases the cost of doing business.  When a photographer has to battle a violation it takes them away from doing what they are suppose to be doing which is being creative. </p>
<p>I think if there was a partnership with the end users to help battle the theft and peers would ostracize the violators, then maybe there would be a reduction. I would then be limited  to those small companies who don&#8217;t hurt the photographer as much financially.</p>
<p>I think peer pressure is a viable tool if applied to those who do violate. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn E. Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn E. Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Erich, 

Sure!  Please contact me by email (photoattorney at g m a i l . c o m) with specifics and I&#039;ll authorize it.

Best,
Carolyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Erich, </p>
<p>Sure!  Please contact me by email (photoattorney at g m a i l . c o m) with specifics and I&#8217;ll authorize it.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Carolyn</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn E. Wright:

&quot;Unless you created the work outside of the United States and in a country....&quot;

Do any readers (Carolyn?) know how this applies if a US Citizen creates images in say China? Is there a legal problem filing  copyright with the U.S. gov on images created outside the United States?

TIA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn E. Wright:</p>
<p>&#8220;Unless you created the work outside of the United States and in a country&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do any readers (Carolyn?) know how this applies if a US Citizen creates images in say China? Is there a legal problem filing  copyright with the U.S. gov on images created outside the United States?</p>
<p>TIA!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while back a WW agency w/office in Asia scanned one of my images out of a prominent industry journal. They used the image as the fundemental part of a presentation to a client for a regional ad campaign covering most of Asia. The client was a large Japanese company with business WW. After the agency pitched the campaign and got approval they asked me to bid the job. 

There were a few images to produce, all with different production needs. They had a deadline, and weather was an important factor. After discussions with the producer (Asian for AB) I was told my bid, and approach looked excellent and she would get back with me. After a week and no response, I sent her an email, and received a short reply that they had decided to use someone from xxx country (a place known for very low fees/production costs). 

I emailed her a letter along with an invoice for a creative fee (a few $K) . Essentially it was my idea (image) that was used to sell this campaign to the client. I explained this in the letter, and told them my recourse was to be compensated for a copyright violation. After a week I heard nothing back. In Letter two I expressed my need to be compensated or I would get in touch with their client and demand payment. I heard back from her immediately. She told me the head of accounts would be in touch soon. 

The head of accounts was very nice, complimented my work and thanked me. His response, &quot;We do a lot of advertising and would love to use your services for future campaigns&quot;. I told him that was wonderful, I would very much like to continue doing business together, but I need to be compensated for this use now. If you&#039;d like a discount, lets do ten projects together. I&#039;ll  waive my fees on the tenth one. The interaction was mutually respectful. The $$ was wired to my account the next day. 

I also insisted on seeing the final media for my campaign to make sure the art was not derivative of my images. They complied. Neither side lost face. For a long time it has been a given that ad agencies will use photographers images as comps for the final art (for free). Many image makers go along with this, some require payment depending on the details of the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while back a WW agency w/office in Asia scanned one of my images out of a prominent industry journal. They used the image as the fundemental part of a presentation to a client for a regional ad campaign covering most of Asia. The client was a large Japanese company with business WW. After the agency pitched the campaign and got approval they asked me to bid the job. </p>
<p>There were a few images to produce, all with different production needs. They had a deadline, and weather was an important factor. After discussions with the producer (Asian for AB) I was told my bid, and approach looked excellent and she would get back with me. After a week and no response, I sent her an email, and received a short reply that they had decided to use someone from xxx country (a place known for very low fees/production costs). </p>
<p>I emailed her a letter along with an invoice for a creative fee (a few $K) . Essentially it was my idea (image) that was used to sell this campaign to the client. I explained this in the letter, and told them my recourse was to be compensated for a copyright violation. After a week I heard nothing back. In Letter two I expressed my need to be compensated or I would get in touch with their client and demand payment. I heard back from her immediately. She told me the head of accounts would be in touch soon. </p>
<p>The head of accounts was very nice, complimented my work and thanked me. His response, &#8220;We do a lot of advertising and would love to use your services for future campaigns&#8221;. I told him that was wonderful, I would very much like to continue doing business together, but I need to be compensated for this use now. If you&#8217;d like a discount, lets do ten projects together. I&#8217;ll  waive my fees on the tenth one. The interaction was mutually respectful. The $$ was wired to my account the next day. </p>
<p>I also insisted on seeing the final media for my campaign to make sure the art was not derivative of my images. They complied. Neither side lost face. For a long time it has been a given that ad agencies will use photographers images as comps for the final art (for free). Many image makers go along with this, some require payment depending on the details of the project.</p>
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