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	<title>Comments on: Stop Accepting $200 Assignments!</title>
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	<description>Former Photography Director Rob Haggart</description>
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		<title>By: Tampa Web Designer</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-99312</link>
		<dc:creator>Tampa Web Designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No kidding. With Groupon ads you see these days, people don&#039;t know the real value of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kidding. With Groupon ads you see these days, people don&#8217;t know the real value of things.</p>
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		<title>By: White Lotus</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-98234</link>
		<dc:creator>White Lotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been of the mindset, if you produce quality work, eventually people will know and things will work out in the end. If you are a brand new up and coming photographer and Vanity Fair wanted you to shoot their cover for $200, and you did a great job, would they be undervaluing your work? The answer is YES! Absolutely! Of course you deserve to get more than $200 for shooting the cover of Vanity Fair.

But let&#039;s look at this from the other side of the coin. Tens of thousands of people will see your work. And they&#039;ll want to know, who did that cover?!? That&#039;s great work! Now you inundated with jobs and you can set your fees accordingly. I&#039;d rather take a $200 job that will open the doors for more gigs (and more experience) rather than take a &#039;holier than thou&#039; approach to get a few more dollars for my next gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been of the mindset, if you produce quality work, eventually people will know and things will work out in the end. If you are a brand new up and coming photographer and Vanity Fair wanted you to shoot their cover for $200, and you did a great job, would they be undervaluing your work? The answer is YES! Absolutely! Of course you deserve to get more than $200 for shooting the cover of Vanity Fair.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s look at this from the other side of the coin. Tens of thousands of people will see your work. And they&#8217;ll want to know, who did that cover?!? That&#8217;s great work! Now you inundated with jobs and you can set your fees accordingly. I&#8217;d rather take a $200 job that will open the doors for more gigs (and more experience) rather than take a &#8216;holier than thou&#8217; approach to get a few more dollars for my next gig.</p>
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		<title>By: TheQueen</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-77002</link>
		<dc:creator>TheQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t knock it. Bill Eppridge took my Mom&#039;s wedding photos. 
http://www.mocklog.com/queen_mediocretia/2008/04/post-its-from-t.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t knock it. Bill Eppridge took my Mom&#8217;s wedding photos.<br />
<a href="http://www.mocklog.com/queen_mediocretia/2008/04/post-its-from-t.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mocklog.com/queen_mediocretia/2008/04/post-its-from-t.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: purusottam badi</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-69220</link>
		<dc:creator>purusottam badi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 23:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please help me,
             i need a photo or video editing  job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please help me,<br />
             i need a photo or video editing  job.</p>
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		<title>By: photographer-in-EU</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-67660</link>
		<dc:creator>photographer-in-EU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 07:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a fellow photographer who keeps sending his photos to my paper for free usage while complaining for nobody willing to pay him.

I already told him not to send photos for free because my paper does not have a budget to pay anything but they will never even consider it  if they get it for free anyway - why would they?
He does not seem to understand and keeps sending photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a fellow photographer who keeps sending his photos to my paper for free usage while complaining for nobody willing to pay him.</p>
<p>I already told him not to send photos for free because my paper does not have a budget to pay anything but they will never even consider it  if they get it for free anyway &#8211; why would they?<br />
He does not seem to understand and keeps sending photos.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-63895</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty interesting posts and from my perspective, if you are going to accept a $200 day assignments, have fun.  Either your work sucks or you will be out of business soon.  Either way, you will be justifying my fees.  I have been doing this 3 years now, and even in the first month I would not even think of leaving the house without making at least a grand.  Also, I run a rights managed business model and have been told by clients and prospects that I am pretty conservative with my licensing, but they keep buying those licenses and commissioning me.  Just worked with a start up not even a year old paying me over 3 grand for just 12 hours of shooting with minimal rights, basically portfolio and promotion use only, and that was after a little negotiating.  I even get others involved in projects contacting me months after I photographed it to purchase a license to use the images every now and then.  Do they all bit, no.  Do they complain about double billing, sometimes, but it&#039;s business and if you want to use you have to pay.  Sometimes I throw bate in water, with that start up I sent a couple sets of prints to others involved explaining if they would like to have a license to use these in their marketing feel free to contact me at ...

Do I get people who want me to do $200 day assignments, not really, but that may be do to the fact that I always control the conversation.  When prospects call me before they start talking about price I tell them I will be writing an estimate and e-mailing a pdf to them; its harder to argue something in writing and plus it looks more professional.  The cheap ones never respond back to me, but no problem, I know what I need to make in order to clear a profit and if they insist on not meeting that number, too bad for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty interesting posts and from my perspective, if you are going to accept a $200 day assignments, have fun.  Either your work sucks or you will be out of business soon.  Either way, you will be justifying my fees.  I have been doing this 3 years now, and even in the first month I would not even think of leaving the house without making at least a grand.  Also, I run a rights managed business model and have been told by clients and prospects that I am pretty conservative with my licensing, but they keep buying those licenses and commissioning me.  Just worked with a start up not even a year old paying me over 3 grand for just 12 hours of shooting with minimal rights, basically portfolio and promotion use only, and that was after a little negotiating.  I even get others involved in projects contacting me months after I photographed it to purchase a license to use the images every now and then.  Do they all bit, no.  Do they complain about double billing, sometimes, but it&#8217;s business and if you want to use you have to pay.  Sometimes I throw bate in water, with that start up I sent a couple sets of prints to others involved explaining if they would like to have a license to use these in their marketing feel free to contact me at &#8230;</p>
<p>Do I get people who want me to do $200 day assignments, not really, but that may be do to the fact that I always control the conversation.  When prospects call me before they start talking about price I tell them I will be writing an estimate and e-mailing a pdf to them; its harder to argue something in writing and plus it looks more professional.  The cheap ones never respond back to me, but no problem, I know what I need to make in order to clear a profit and if they insist on not meeting that number, too bad for them.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cold, Cold Realization (Another Romance Story of the Photography Business) &#171; Staying In Focus</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cold, Cold Realization (Another Romance Story of the Photography Business) &#171; Staying In Focus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my sentiments are echoed.  In an article on A Photo Editor titled &#8220;Stop Accepting $200 Assignments!&#8220;, the author discussed a workshop he and a few other photographers attended, which addressed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60901</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nate W, &quot;No one would bat an eye if I was taking a part time job at a newspaper for $20 an hour, why should someone tear me a new one for taking a half day assignment for $200?&quot;

The difference is, at the $20/hour part time job, you&#039;ll be taking home around 75% of your pay.

After taxes and overhead, you&#039;ll be taking about 33% of your pay from a photo assignment.

So where you&#039;re looking at $15/hour take home at that part time job, if we say your $200 assignment is one day&#039;s worth of work (8 hours), you&#039;re looking at $8.25/hour take home.

Can you live on that?  In the market were you can get a $20/hr part time job?  This is the &quot;$200 job&quot; that&#039;s being talked about.  If you&#039;re able to double up and leverage your opportunities as you say, I don&#039;t think this is directed at you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nate W, &#8220;No one would bat an eye if I was taking a part time job at a newspaper for $20 an hour, why should someone tear me a new one for taking a half day assignment for $200?&#8221;</p>
<p>The difference is, at the $20/hour part time job, you&#8217;ll be taking home around 75% of your pay.</p>
<p>After taxes and overhead, you&#8217;ll be taking about 33% of your pay from a photo assignment.</p>
<p>So where you&#8217;re looking at $15/hour take home at that part time job, if we say your $200 assignment is one day&#8217;s worth of work (8 hours), you&#8217;re looking at $8.25/hour take home.</p>
<p>Can you live on that?  In the market were you can get a $20/hr part time job?  This is the &#8220;$200 job&#8221; that&#8217;s being talked about.  If you&#8217;re able to double up and leverage your opportunities as you say, I don&#8217;t think this is directed at you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate W</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60717</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one would bat an eye if I was taking a part time job at a newspaper for $20 an hour, why should someone tear me a new one for taking a half day assignment for $200? Should I take a regular job for $10 an hour to get me thru the tough times instead? Something that ties me down so I can&#039;t take a good paying photo gig one afternoon? Or should I take the occasional 2-3 hour assignment for a couple hundred dollars, keep myself open for better jobs and get paid $40-50/hour for actual photo work? I just took a job for a lobbying group and charged them $650 for a day and a half&#039;s shoot of there convention, and it allowed me to take on three assignments for the same convention from separate newspapers for another $400 All told I probably spent a day in PP (maybe two hours or that for the papers with deadlines that day). $1000 for two-ish days of work wasn&#039;t bad, that&#039;s two or three weeks worth of pay from some crappy job I&#039;d have to hold down from not taking cheaper assignments between the good ones. The AP is dropping its rates and making it&#039;s stringers sign shitty contracts, Getty&#039;s slowly going out of business, High end photogs are having to do seminars instead of getting real work, When are photogs going to realize that the good old days are over, some of us are in markets that are so shitty that we either have to take the $200 jobs or find another line of work. There&#039;s $200 jobs that are worth it, and are profitable. And there&#039;s $1000 jobs you can lose money on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one would bat an eye if I was taking a part time job at a newspaper for $20 an hour, why should someone tear me a new one for taking a half day assignment for $200? Should I take a regular job for $10 an hour to get me thru the tough times instead? Something that ties me down so I can&#8217;t take a good paying photo gig one afternoon? Or should I take the occasional 2-3 hour assignment for a couple hundred dollars, keep myself open for better jobs and get paid $40-50/hour for actual photo work? I just took a job for a lobbying group and charged them $650 for a day and a half&#8217;s shoot of there convention, and it allowed me to take on three assignments for the same convention from separate newspapers for another $400 All told I probably spent a day in PP (maybe two hours or that for the papers with deadlines that day). $1000 for two-ish days of work wasn&#8217;t bad, that&#8217;s two or three weeks worth of pay from some crappy job I&#8217;d have to hold down from not taking cheaper assignments between the good ones. The AP is dropping its rates and making it&#8217;s stringers sign shitty contracts, Getty&#8217;s slowly going out of business, High end photogs are having to do seminars instead of getting real work, When are photogs going to realize that the good old days are over, some of us are in markets that are so shitty that we either have to take the $200 jobs or find another line of work. There&#8217;s $200 jobs that are worth it, and are profitable. And there&#8217;s $1000 jobs you can lose money on.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin HM Schreiber</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60647</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin HM Schreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of blah blah as far as I am concerned..it is and always has been a free for all....there are no rules and never were any..except that before the turn of this century quality and talent did count for something as well as loyalty..all that has gone down the crapper....today anything goes and it depends on the flavor of the month which changes regularly....contracts mean nothing any more than a hand shake.....who you fuck counts more in this business or should I say who you sleep with....the digital world has not helped either..every body has a camera today and at least one...either on their phone plus the small compact etc....and everybody is always taking pictures and evidently one is bound to eventually take a good interesting photo.....but the real test is can these people do this time and time again and on demand..where will you be 5 to 10 years from now.......most disappear and don&#039;t last just like flash in the pan singers....longevity goes with quality and consistence......yes I also have been touched by the down shift in work and sales but I have been doing this for almost 41 years and  I am still doing it and making my living......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of blah blah as far as I am concerned..it is and always has been a free for all&#8230;.there are no rules and never were any..except that before the turn of this century quality and talent did count for something as well as loyalty..all that has gone down the crapper&#8230;.today anything goes and it depends on the flavor of the month which changes regularly&#8230;.contracts mean nothing any more than a hand shake&#8230;..who you fuck counts more in this business or should I say who you sleep with&#8230;.the digital world has not helped either..every body has a camera today and at least one&#8230;either on their phone plus the small compact etc&#8230;.and everybody is always taking pictures and evidently one is bound to eventually take a good interesting photo&#8230;..but the real test is can these people do this time and time again and on demand..where will you be 5 to 10 years from now&#8230;&#8230;.most disappear and don&#8217;t last just like flash in the pan singers&#8230;.longevity goes with quality and consistence&#8230;&#8230;yes I also have been touched by the down shift in work and sales but I have been doing this for almost 41 years and  I am still doing it and making my living&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Dever</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60500</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Dever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 03:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 25 year old photographer who&#039;s just starting out; in Buffalo, NY (hardly a photographic mecca).  I&#039;m involved with my local ASMP Chapter and my professional peers have helped me to value my work more than I originally did.   The comment section of this article is a great resource, I appreciate everyone who took the time to weigh in.  It has given me a tremendous amount of information to funnel into the internal debate that I&#039;ve been having for the past few months.  I really enjoyed the personal anecdotes from some of the more experienced shooters.

I believe the industry is struggling through a paradigm shift right now.  The technology available in the marketplace has made it easier for amateur photographers to get &quot;Lucky Shots&quot; more frequently.  So there has been a bit of demystification of photography to the general public. &quot;Saying you&#039;re a photographer is like saying you&#039;re on Twitter&quot;, that&#039;s the running joke with my friends.  I think that we need to focus on differentiating &quot;professional photographers&quot; from just &quot;photographers&quot;. Professional photographers need to focus on selling the fact that they create great images consistently.  The value we bring to the table is our expert knowledge and the reproducible quality  in our images from frame to frame. We need to educate our customers on the key differentiators: Our business practices, our insurance, our redundant gear,  our knowledge of lighting, our ability to quickly solve technical issues, our experience in direct models, our expertise in composing images,  our ability to delegate work efficiently to a team of other creative professionals(Stylists/MUAs/Hair/etc), etc, etc.

We have to show that &quot;Anyone can take a picture, but not everyone can create a image of value&quot;.

As far as the $200 jobs go, I don&#039;t take them; but it still hurts turning down work.  I&#039;ve been scraping by month-to-month for the last six months.  I probably would have had to bail out months ago, but through a mix of creative and luck I had some media success with my http://www.twelvehoursinacity.com project. That experience gave me the opportunity to supplement my photographic income with some Web Strategy consulting work in the short-term.  

I&#039;ve also taken the time to intern(paid) with a commercial photographer in my area. She works regularly on campaigns for national brands and this experience has been tremendously educational for me. It has also given me the confidence to turn down the lower priced jobs after seeing what other work was out there in the marketplace.  I encourage all new professionals to seek mentors, I also believe that many of you seasoned veterans should take the opportunity to teach new-comers to the field.  The knowledge exchange flows both ways and through discourse we will help our profession grow more viable as we navigate this tumultuous period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 25 year old photographer who&#8217;s just starting out; in Buffalo, NY (hardly a photographic mecca).  I&#8217;m involved with my local ASMP Chapter and my professional peers have helped me to value my work more than I originally did.   The comment section of this article is a great resource, I appreciate everyone who took the time to weigh in.  It has given me a tremendous amount of information to funnel into the internal debate that I&#8217;ve been having for the past few months.  I really enjoyed the personal anecdotes from some of the more experienced shooters.</p>
<p>I believe the industry is struggling through a paradigm shift right now.  The technology available in the marketplace has made it easier for amateur photographers to get &#8220;Lucky Shots&#8221; more frequently.  So there has been a bit of demystification of photography to the general public. &#8220;Saying you&#8217;re a photographer is like saying you&#8217;re on Twitter&#8221;, that&#8217;s the running joke with my friends.  I think that we need to focus on differentiating &#8220;professional photographers&#8221; from just &#8220;photographers&#8221;. Professional photographers need to focus on selling the fact that they create great images consistently.  The value we bring to the table is our expert knowledge and the reproducible quality  in our images from frame to frame. We need to educate our customers on the key differentiators: Our business practices, our insurance, our redundant gear,  our knowledge of lighting, our ability to quickly solve technical issues, our experience in direct models, our expertise in composing images,  our ability to delegate work efficiently to a team of other creative professionals(Stylists/MUAs/Hair/etc), etc, etc.</p>
<p>We have to show that &#8220;Anyone can take a picture, but not everyone can create a image of value&#8221;.</p>
<p>As far as the $200 jobs go, I don&#8217;t take them; but it still hurts turning down work.  I&#8217;ve been scraping by month-to-month for the last six months.  I probably would have had to bail out months ago, but through a mix of creative and luck I had some media success with my <a href="http://www.twelvehoursinacity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.twelvehoursinacity.com</a> project. That experience gave me the opportunity to supplement my photographic income with some Web Strategy consulting work in the short-term.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also taken the time to intern(paid) with a commercial photographer in my area. She works regularly on campaigns for national brands and this experience has been tremendously educational for me. It has also given me the confidence to turn down the lower priced jobs after seeing what other work was out there in the marketplace.  I encourage all new professionals to seek mentors, I also believe that many of you seasoned veterans should take the opportunity to teach new-comers to the field.  The knowledge exchange flows both ways and through discourse we will help our profession grow more viable as we navigate this tumultuous period.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Dever</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60496</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Dever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 03:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Calvin Wallace, Don&#039;t feed the trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Calvin Wallace, Don&#8217;t feed the trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60301</link>
		<dc:creator>Calvin Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike, How about the hours put into planning a shoot, finding locations, the costs of equipment, lights, etc., and then the actual shoot depending how many hours that takes, and then more hours put into EDITING photos.  

That goes well above $200.

The work isn&#039;t consistent.  It&#039;s not like $200 for 5 days/week.  It&#039;s maybe, one shoot a week.  So you made only $200 per week.  Wow that sure doesn&#039;t pay rent or for food.  

So yes, we are worth MORE than $200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike, How about the hours put into planning a shoot, finding locations, the costs of equipment, lights, etc., and then the actual shoot depending how many hours that takes, and then more hours put into EDITING photos.  </p>
<p>That goes well above $200.</p>
<p>The work isn&#8217;t consistent.  It&#8217;s not like $200 for 5 days/week.  It&#8217;s maybe, one shoot a week.  So you made only $200 per week.  Wow that sure doesn&#8217;t pay rent or for food.  </p>
<p>So yes, we are worth MORE than $200.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Davin Ellicson, most jobs here are that much.  Models wanting photos, portraits, boudoir, glamour, events, etc.  ENTRY LEVEL JOBS.  I bet you are not a beginner photographer, can you ever remember working your first few jobs for people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davin Ellicson, most jobs here are that much.  Models wanting photos, portraits, boudoir, glamour, events, etc.  ENTRY LEVEL JOBS.  I bet you are not a beginner photographer, can you ever remember working your first few jobs for people?</p>
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		<title>By: Dany Gutierrez</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60288</link>
		<dc:creator>Dany Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Bean, I think you are very right about this. Yes, there is no middle class for photographers. Either you get paid a lot or you don&#039;t get paid at all. Unfortunately, it takes a while to get paid a lot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Bean, I think you are very right about this. Yes, there is no middle class for photographers. Either you get paid a lot or you don&#8217;t get paid at all. Unfortunately, it takes a while to get paid a lot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60270</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about supply and demand. You guys are not worth more then 200 dollars.</description>
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		<title>By: Taking the $200 job &#124; A Photographer</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60189</link>
		<dc:creator>Taking the $200 job &#124; A Photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of mine were talking on Facebook the other day about an article written on the fantastic photo blog APhotoEditor that concerned young photographers taking jobs for little or no pay. Entitled &#8220;Stop Accepting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Crystal B</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60120</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who tried to break into the photography industry in a fairly unsaturated area of the US, I find this rather interesting reading. Given that NY is over saturated with photogs, it&#039;s got to be tough to find someone who isn&#039;t trying to drive the prices down. 
Here, it&#039;s impossible to find someone who wants to charge prices OVER $200, never mind find a client who wants to pay them, regardless of what the work is worth, unless of course you&#039;re in the wedding business. At this point, I have for now said forget about it, you can&#039;t make ends meet on that kind of money anywhere. 
As an aside, don&#039;t bother trying to find a pro to talk to, they&#039;re out of bounds here to newbies. It amazes me that pros talk to and actually help fresh out of the gates newbies. It&#039;s like a whole other world out there. 

But now that I&#039;ve gotten way off base, I do agree. Don&#039;t take the $200 jobs. They&#039;re destroying the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who tried to break into the photography industry in a fairly unsaturated area of the US, I find this rather interesting reading. Given that NY is over saturated with photogs, it&#8217;s got to be tough to find someone who isn&#8217;t trying to drive the prices down.<br />
Here, it&#8217;s impossible to find someone who wants to charge prices OVER $200, never mind find a client who wants to pay them, regardless of what the work is worth, unless of course you&#8217;re in the wedding business. At this point, I have for now said forget about it, you can&#8217;t make ends meet on that kind of money anywhere.<br />
As an aside, don&#8217;t bother trying to find a pro to talk to, they&#8217;re out of bounds here to newbies. It amazes me that pros talk to and actually help fresh out of the gates newbies. It&#8217;s like a whole other world out there. </p>
<p>But now that I&#8217;ve gotten way off base, I do agree. Don&#8217;t take the $200 jobs. They&#8217;re destroying the business.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60106</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a photo editor and freelance photographer, I&#039;m torn about this one. On the one-hand, I completely understand the struggles of an up-and-comer. Nobody should undervalue their work. On the other hand, there are many photographers who over-value their work too, including some higher-profile shooters. 

I once commissioned a big-whig photographer to get some portraits of a few people our magazine was profiling and what I got was utter garbage. We ended up not running any of the shots. They were so bad that we ran our writer&#039;s photos who happened to snap a few frames - and believe me, our writer is a horrible photographer. The &quot;pro&quot; photos were blown out or underexposed; zero variety; bad lighting; the list goes on. And its not like we didn&#039;t do our homework either - we knew this shooter&#039;s style and trusted his judgement because, well, he said he was a big deal. We ended up paying for the photos anyway, because that&#039;s what you gotta do. So, yes I can sympathize with younger photogs but don&#039;t charge more than you&#039;re worth and/or trick clients into thinking you&#039;re better than you are. If you&#039;re worth $200, charge $200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a photo editor and freelance photographer, I&#8217;m torn about this one. On the one-hand, I completely understand the struggles of an up-and-comer. Nobody should undervalue their work. On the other hand, there are many photographers who over-value their work too, including some higher-profile shooters. </p>
<p>I once commissioned a big-whig photographer to get some portraits of a few people our magazine was profiling and what I got was utter garbage. We ended up not running any of the shots. They were so bad that we ran our writer&#8217;s photos who happened to snap a few frames &#8211; and believe me, our writer is a horrible photographer. The &#8220;pro&#8221; photos were blown out or underexposed; zero variety; bad lighting; the list goes on. And its not like we didn&#8217;t do our homework either &#8211; we knew this shooter&#8217;s style and trusted his judgement because, well, he said he was a big deal. We ended up paying for the photos anyway, because that&#8217;s what you gotta do. So, yes I can sympathize with younger photogs but don&#8217;t charge more than you&#8217;re worth and/or trick clients into thinking you&#8217;re better than you are. If you&#8217;re worth $200, charge $200.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Newberry</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60082</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Newberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Davin Ellicson, see the reply to post #22.</description>
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		<title>By: Stop Accepting $200 Assignments! &#171; Sascha Rheker</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-60040</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop Accepting $200 Assignments! &#171; Sascha Rheker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Davin Ellicson</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59990</link>
		<dc:creator>Davin Ellicson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What jobs are ever $200 though?! The lowest jobs I get are for $400 for the day.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Heller</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59979</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Heller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, my prior reply to this thread (which I also posted on my own blog) has received sufficient responses for me to post a follow-up:

http://danheller.blogspot.com/2010/03/understanding-economics-for.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, my prior reply to this thread (which I also posted on my own blog) has received sufficient responses for me to post a follow-up:</p>
<p><a href="http://danheller.blogspot.com/2010/03/understanding-economics-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://danheller.blogspot.com/2010/03/understanding-economics-for.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59947</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@realist, you seem like a very high strung person. Being a professional goes beyond how much money you make, it has to do with how you handle yourself in all situations. Most of life boils down to toleration something you clearly don&#039;t have. Why don&#039;t you post your website so we all can see what a real pro looks like. Or better yet just leave this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@realist, you seem like a very high strung person. Being a professional goes beyond how much money you make, it has to do with how you handle yourself in all situations. Most of life boils down to toleration something you clearly don&#8217;t have. Why don&#8217;t you post your website so we all can see what a real pro looks like. Or better yet just leave this site.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59946</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephen Alvarez, 

I found you blog from a photo editor.  What a wonderful blog.  And kudos to you; obviously you are VERY talented.  
And articulate.

I agree with your post above; it is a very pragmatic and logical approach.  And in theory, I also agree &quot;continuing to work cheap&quot; can and will hurt your career.  But you also, succinctly point out the benefits of accepting assignments on the &quot;cheap&quot; that will further your career.  

However, while you represent Rodeo Drive (I live in LA) or at least upscale clients, all, to your compliment, and I&#039;m sure most photographers aspire to reach your level, &quot;Dollar Store&quot; also can make a profit.  So does McDonalds.  My point on a photo editor is why be concerned?  I doubt if you are worried, given your obvious quality, about the competition of low cost new photo school graduates.  So I don&#039;t understand others logic of demeaning them for only charging $200.00 either to build a base and/or to survive.   I think everyone agrees that once you have excellent references, good work, that your price should go up.

My point, that charging $200.00 for a shoot is &quot;hurting the industry&quot; is hogwash.  Your point, that you have to start somewhere, and build from there, and then charge an appropriate fee after establishing your book is right on.  And if, like you, one aspires to do quality work, and make a good living, one needs to move on from $200.00 a day.
You obviously add value; that is why you charge more.  And that is how it should be.

Again, thank you for referencing your blog; an excellent site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephen Alvarez, </p>
<p>I found you blog from a photo editor.  What a wonderful blog.  And kudos to you; obviously you are VERY talented.<br />
And articulate.</p>
<p>I agree with your post above; it is a very pragmatic and logical approach.  And in theory, I also agree &#8220;continuing to work cheap&#8221; can and will hurt your career.  But you also, succinctly point out the benefits of accepting assignments on the &#8220;cheap&#8221; that will further your career.  </p>
<p>However, while you represent Rodeo Drive (I live in LA) or at least upscale clients, all, to your compliment, and I&#8217;m sure most photographers aspire to reach your level, &#8220;Dollar Store&#8221; also can make a profit.  So does McDonalds.  My point on a photo editor is why be concerned?  I doubt if you are worried, given your obvious quality, about the competition of low cost new photo school graduates.  So I don&#8217;t understand others logic of demeaning them for only charging $200.00 either to build a base and/or to survive.   I think everyone agrees that once you have excellent references, good work, that your price should go up.</p>
<p>My point, that charging $200.00 for a shoot is &#8220;hurting the industry&#8221; is hogwash.  Your point, that you have to start somewhere, and build from there, and then charge an appropriate fee after establishing your book is right on.  And if, like you, one aspires to do quality work, and make a good living, one needs to move on from $200.00 a day.<br />
You obviously add value; that is why you charge more.  And that is how it should be.</p>
<p>Again, thank you for referencing your blog; an excellent site.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas shooter</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59943</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@realist, What pro&#039;s certainly do not do is spend their time composing ridiculous diatribe&#039;s and insulting rants. Doesn&#039;t this site have a moderator to keep moron trolls like this at bay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@realist, What pro&#8217;s certainly do not do is spend their time composing ridiculous diatribe&#8217;s and insulting rants. Doesn&#8217;t this site have a moderator to keep moron trolls like this at bay?</p>
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		<title>By: realist</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59936</link>
		<dc:creator>realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@butcherboy, keep it up butcherboy, you&#039;re heading to losertown fast. You will never be successful, you probably take garbage photos and most importantly couldn&#039;t even handle working at Starbucks. PRO&#039;S DON&#039;T WORK FOR $200, end of story jerk!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@butcherboy, keep it up butcherboy, you&#8217;re heading to losertown fast. You will never be successful, you probably take garbage photos and most importantly couldn&#8217;t even handle working at Starbucks. PRO&#8217;S DON&#8217;T WORK FOR $200, end of story jerk!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Alvarez</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59929</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Alvarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I post about this on my blog today, but here is the most relevant part

&quot;What to take and what not to is always a judgment call. The decision will be influenced by what the assignment is, how busy you are and what the rights/fees are. This is always a moving target. But remember this, careers are not made on individual assignments. There is no such thing as a big break. Photographers who do well consistently work hard and have long term relationships with their clients. I&#039;ve never been able to establish a relationship with someone who thought my photography was worth $200 a day.&quot;

-Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I post about this on my blog today, but here is the most relevant part</p>
<p>&#8220;What to take and what not to is always a judgment call. The decision will be influenced by what the assignment is, how busy you are and what the rights/fees are. This is always a moving target. But remember this, careers are not made on individual assignments. There is no such thing as a big break. Photographers who do well consistently work hard and have long term relationships with their clients. I&#8217;ve never been able to establish a relationship with someone who thought my photography was worth $200 a day.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59919</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And isn&#039;t funny how the AP is the major abuser of paying 200.00 for an assignment that could last hours. And they pay none of your expenses to go along with that. I would like to have heard Mr. Santiago Lyons of the AP responses to the question. The AP does not value the freelance photographers they have or would pay the much more than the cheap 200.00 for a news assignment and 225.00 for a 8 hour sporting assignment. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Photographers invest 20-30 thousand dollars of their money in gear to make almost 10 dollars an hour in profit. STOP the MADNESS and don&#039;t except it. By doing so it makes it worse for everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And isn&#8217;t funny how the AP is the major abuser of paying 200.00 for an assignment that could last hours. And they pay none of your expenses to go along with that. I would like to have heard Mr. Santiago Lyons of the AP responses to the question. The AP does not value the freelance photographers they have or would pay the much more than the cheap 200.00 for a news assignment and 225.00 for a 8 hour sporting assignment. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Photographers invest 20-30 thousand dollars of their money in gear to make almost 10 dollars an hour in profit. STOP the MADNESS and don&#8217;t except it. By doing so it makes it worse for everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: butcherboy</title>
		<link>http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/03/11/stop-accepting-200-assignments/#comment-59914</link>
		<dc:creator>butcherboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@B, 
I really don&#039;t think we are very far off on either of our respective view points. I think really what I&#039;m trying to say say that in the grander scope of professional photographic gear, a great body and great glass are really areas that have been addressed adequately. As a great instructor of mine once pointed out, if you need to get a tighter shot on your subject, it&#039;s a lot easier to get closer to it, than to buy a longer lens.
and  as far a as a reply to &quot;Realist&quot; : surely you can find a less professional forum to waste peoples time with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@B,<br />
I really don&#8217;t think we are very far off on either of our respective view points. I think really what I&#8217;m trying to say say that in the grander scope of professional photographic gear, a great body and great glass are really areas that have been addressed adequately. As a great instructor of mine once pointed out, if you need to get a tighter shot on your subject, it&#8217;s a lot easier to get closer to it, than to buy a longer lens.<br />
and  as far a as a reply to &#8220;Realist&#8221; : surely you can find a less professional forum to waste peoples time with.</p>
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