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By: Toni Greaves

Toni Greaves — Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:15:24 +0000

Rob,

Would you be willing to share what the photographers day rate was when you worked at Outside Magazine? And/or does anyone know what it is now?

thank you,
toni

By: Scott Smith

Scott Smith — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:00:57 +0000

Thank you very much for taking the time to post and compose your letter of agreement. Very helpful and easy to understand and modify / taylor to individual needs.

All the best, Scott

By: Alex Aistov

Alex Aistov — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:54:32 +0000

SACRED COW! If similar rules could be observed with the majority of customers! Alas, this list corrected is similar to an ideal which with a life has a little the general, well unless it is applicable to such bisons of photobusiness as Lindberg, Solgado and etc.
Sorry my bad English..

By: Julian

Julian — Mon, 31 May 2010 14:23:06 +0000

Great post – really useful nuts and bolts info.

@6 – I would also like to know if anyone has seen a contract like this in Europe. I usually just get handed some rights-grabbing awfulness and told that all their other photogs have signed it so why won’t I.

Julian

By: David Peacock

David Peacock — Thu, 27 May 2010 11:58:43 +0000

Thanks for this post – I found this very informative.

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By: muggphoto

muggphoto — Wed, 26 May 2010 17:40:59 +0000

This is a fantastic summary of a fair contract. It reminds me of contracts I used to see 7 years ago – before the massive rights-grabbing contacts became the norm. EVERY photographer should read this entire post to be more familiar with the contracts we are signing these days. Content is valuable – do us all a favor and please don’t give it away.

and to #11 Shane: as much as I’d love to, I’ve never presented a contract to an editorial client, but as I mentioned, the contracts used to have a similar ‘we protect and respect your rights’ demeanor as this contract, so maybe it’s time for us to defend our rights from the rights grabbers.

By: Ben Weldon

Ben Weldon — Wed, 26 May 2010 14:27:13 +0000

@Bruce

Thanks for the feedback-The corporate/industrial/institutional library shoots can be tricky to estimate for and we have worked on our fair share for our photographers. We will definitely consider it for a future post.

By: Ben Weldon

Ben Weldon — Wed, 26 May 2010 14:21:57 +0000

@Spike,

Thanks for the comment-You’ve touched on an important point. Because of the way this day vs. space rate contract is structured, the client is paying for up to 1 page of use of the image(s) up front. If circumstances dictate that they don’t use the images at all then they are, in effect, simply paying for your time and thusly rendering a “time to publish” clause unnecessary. If you use this contract, you can plan to bill the client twice if necessary; initially when you’ve completed the job, and then again if their use of your images extends beyond 1 page.

By: John

John — Wed, 26 May 2010 14:02:08 +0000

Thanks so much for sharing this Rob and Ben. A huge help.

By: Bruce DeBoer

Bruce DeBoer — Wed, 26 May 2010 05:57:15 +0000

Good Job Ben, and thanks Rob –

May I suggest that next time you discuss Corporate Library shoots? It’s an undeniable trend: XXXXXX company requires a 250 shot library from 9 scenes over 3 days with 15 talent (5/day) who also need 3 years w/broad rights – they want broad rights on all work from the shoot for 3 years.

It’s a tough situation to reconcile when you’re used to pricing 6 – 10 images with specific use rights.

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By: Shane

Shane — Tue, 25 May 2010 22:09:23 +0000

Man, I’d love to present my own contract to a client and not be laughed at. Maybe because I’m a neophyte, but has anyone had any great success pushing back with their own demands? I’d love to hear “yes” as I’m constantly afraid that my desire to work is sabotaging my own policies. I’ve never been paid within 30 days for an editorial job. And has anyone ever had success collecting any sort of late fee or is it a lame threat?

By: anthony

anthony — Tue, 25 May 2010 21:27:58 +0000

Many Thanks Rob. Great post!

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By: Pat!

Pat! — Tue, 25 May 2010 17:53:19 +0000

many thanks for this write-up!
this is something i’ve been wondering for awhile

By: Bret Edge

Bret Edge — Tue, 25 May 2010 17:30:30 +0000

This is valuable and timely information, Rob. Thanks for sharing it with all of us. Keep up the great work.

By: Todd Owyoung

Todd Owyoung — Tue, 25 May 2010 17:21:53 +0000

Thanks for sharing this, guys. Great write-up and explanation for an invaluable tool for photographers.

By: Thomas Pickard

Thomas Pickard — Tue, 25 May 2010 16:43:24 +0000

Does anyone know if this model is used in European magazine markets?

By: luke@lukecopping.com

luke@lukecopping.com — Tue, 25 May 2010 16:26:13 +0000

Wow, this is just the sort of info I have been looking for lately.

By: Aga Luczakowska

Aga Luczakowska — Tue, 25 May 2010 16:01:58 +0000

Very useful information, thank you!

By: Nicole Morgenthau

Nicole Morgenthau — Tue, 25 May 2010 15:58:42 +0000

Great post Rob. Thanks.

By: Spike

Spike — Tue, 25 May 2010 14:22:21 +0000

Maybe I just missed it, but I’d like to see a “time to publish” clause in the contract. I saw a cancellation clause, and the day rate clause, but nothing that says the publication needs to provide some compensation if the feature isn’t used within a specified period of time.

I think that is particularly important right now when ad placements are down, which means pages are down and the editorial hole is smaller. Features, particularly ones that aren’t time-dependent, might sit around for a while. It would be nice to get closure after a few months. Also, while publications have every right to change direction and decide not to run a particular feature, you could still pitch the story idea somewhere else.

I’m thinking of the “We can’t pay you until the feature is published. Of course we plan to publish it, we just can’t say when” sort of situation.

By: Rashod Taylor

Rashod Taylor — Tue, 25 May 2010 14:09:25 +0000

Great info! thanks for sharing