Define: Professional

I read a great quote from Mario Batali (but suddenly can’t find it) about what makes a professional chef.

He says the difference between an amazing amateur chef and a professional chef is the ability to make that perfect meal 100 times in a row.

That applies to photography too.

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  1. anony wrote:

    a amateur does it until they get it right.

    a professional does it until they can’t get it wrong.

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 8:45 am
  2. Christopher Bush wrote:

    I think it’s important to note the difference between being consistent and being repetitive. Anybody can learn to make the same picture 100 times with enough practice, and unfortunately, many do that and call themselves pro. Being consistently creative is another story.

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 12:16 pm
  3. Robert Doisneau wrote:

    If I knew how to take a good photograph, I’d take one every time.

    So there.

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 1:43 pm
  4. grubernd wrote:

    professional is not about knowing whats right,
    but to be able to avoid all the /wrong/ mistakes.

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 3:20 pm
  5. Scott Rex Ely wrote:

    So, is Iron Chef America the equivalent to editorial?

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 5:30 pm
  6. Matthew Hakola wrote:

    Liz Miller Gershfeld from EnergyBBDO talks about it in a photoshelter talk. Search itunes for her name and photoshelter and the video podcast should show up.

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 6:10 pm
  7. j.sight wrote:

    I hate making any one same thing 100 times. maybe that’s why I’m an amateur novice…
    Where does the bravery of doing something no one agrees is right (yet) play in to becomming a ‘professional,’ that is, a commercially succssful photographer? Bravely consistent? Consistently brave?

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 9:17 pm
  8. Doug McGoldrick wrote:

    “It’s easy to be great occasionally it really hard to be good consistently” Avedon

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 10:55 pm
  9. Bruce DeBoer wrote:

    It’s about consistency / repeatability of style and bringing your “A” game no matter what is happening in your life - having fun while your doing it. You bring 110% when you’re not necessarily thrilled with the project you just accepted because you need the money while doing enough research to put your clients at ease, and finally, delivering a product that makes the guy/gal who put their career on the line to choose you look like a genius. And finally, doing it in a way that leaves everyone feeling as though it was easy for you and leaving them excited to do it again because it was so much fun. Ultimately they leave feeling as though they are leaving a family of friends and want more than anything to have you all over for a BBQ at their house.

    That’s Professionalism.

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    Posted 22 Oct 2007 at 11:41 pm
  10. Dirk wrote:

    What makes you think that the opposite of professional is the amateur? Are they even remotely related? Obviously they don’t even compete, because the amateur - by definition - is not available for hire.

    There seems to be this inferiority complex thing going in this business: the amateurs think being a ‘pro’ is the ultimate goal. The pros on the other side feel that the weekend snappers (who can occasionally produce very good work) are undermining their credibility and value. Then they produce quotes like these…

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    Posted 23 Oct 2007 at 12:54 am
  11. Bernd Gruber wrote:

    Dirk, could it be that you dont have to compete against one-dollar-or-less stock images? well, the high-profiled editorial photographer hopefully neither. but there’s lots of us that would like to have the weekend snappers with their digital cameras and broadband internet connection go away just for business reasons.

    and please do away with google images at the same time, dear gods.

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    Posted 23 Oct 2007 at 4:16 am
  12. A Photo Editor wrote:

    @ Scott: You may be on to something with the iron photographer idea. 1 hour. 1 subject. Two photographers shoot 7 setups with their crew of assistants, stylists, hair, makeup and producer. Steven Klein vs. Steven Meisel!

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    Posted 23 Oct 2007 at 6:56 am
  13. George_uk wrote:

    Are professionals willing to kiss more frogs?????????????
    http://fashionfotonotes.blogspot.com/2006/03/kiss-frog.html

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    Posted 23 Oct 2007 at 10:55 am
  14. Derek wrote:

    As mentioned above, Liz Miller Gershfeld quotes it in her Photoshelter presentation. It is from a book by Bill Buford called “Heat: An Amateur’s Adventures as Kitchen Slave, Line Cook, Pasta-Maker, and Apprentice to a Dante-Quoting Butcher in Tuscany” Buford chronicles his working at Batalli’s restaurant, Babbo in NYC and then later following his footsteps through Italy.

    It’s a great read.

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    Posted 23 Oct 2007 at 12:04 pm
  15. Dirk wrote:

    @Bernd: your problem isn’t “the competition”; your problem are buyers happy and willing to pay little money for bad product.

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    Posted 23 Oct 2007 at 10:46 pm
  16. Doug McGoldrick wrote:

    I don’t think any art buyer is happy buying $1 images, it’s pressure from there end clients that drive them there. My wife is a designer and is forced to use RF stock all the time because clients don’t see the value in photography.

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    Posted 23 Oct 2007 at 11:43 pm
  17. Bernd Gruber wrote:

    @Dirk: well, first its not my problem, because i stayed away from stockphotography since ever. actually i work on the other end of the spectrum: single pictures meant for low circulation numbers.

    and then its not that the products are bad. actually a lot of the amateurs have the resources to produce good work with unlimited timeframes. stock doesnt care if the pic was done yesterday or ten years ago. if it fits, it fits.

    may i quote? “As a novice, it is by far more unlikely to cook a delicious meal that is on par with a trained and experienced chef. As opposed to the chances of taking a good quality photograph (or one in thirty six for that matter).”

    hope you know where that comes from.
    now add digital + broadband internet and you get my equation.

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    Posted 24 Oct 2007 at 3:34 am
  18. Dirk wrote:

    Yes, monkeys on typewriters have finally arrived. Thanks for the quote :)

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    Posted 26 Oct 2007 at 1:05 am

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