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Posted on January 14, 2008
By rhaggart
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Interesting post over on Conscientious (here).

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Question from The Photographers Union. Cross posting for visibility. Link to join in bio.

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Food Stylists Unite! A group of NYC Food Stylists has released their 2025 Financial Guidelines. Let’s make this industry stronger. Share and support your food stylist s.

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Visit thephotographersunion.com to fill out the application to join. You must be a working or aspiring Commercial/Editorial photographer to be approved.Commercial Photography (B2B) is defined as photography sold to a business and used by that business to sell a product or service. Photography sold directly to consumers for personal use is defined as Retail Photography (B2C) and is not a part of this group.

The Daily Edit by @heidivolpe@jlcvisuals Los An

The Daily Edit
by @heidivolpe@jlcvisuals
Los Angeles Fire and Citizen JournalismSince leaving the Los Angeles Times, Jay Clendenin has primarily been photographing corporate and commercial projects, mostly in the entertainment world where he spent the majority of his 16 years at the LAT.“When doing editorial work, I’ve started distributing my news and enterprise images through Getty Images and entertainment work through Shutterstock – all that got turned on its head last week with the merger of these two companies.”We caught up about his experience covering the LA fires.Heidi: Please share your thoughts on citizen journalists and what they need to consider.
Jay: The term “citizen journalist” makes me cringe. I am very aware of human behavior and the desire to “know” and “report” what’s happening (in particular when it’s their neighborhood). But there are a couple of significant distinctions between said “man-on-the-street” spreading a “story” and a trained Journalist (capital J) reporting: ethics and facts. It’s true that the Rodney King video (dating myself) was “citizen journalism” and was incredibly impactful on society – unfortunately, not enough to convict?! Where as today, I’m seeing people abusing the homeless with humiliating videos of their circumstances, all in the name of “citizen journalism.” And with the fires, people are sharing wild accusations/aspersions about the number of fire personnel, water supplies, and who happened to be on vacation when the fires broke out. No investigating for facts, just hitting “share” and adding “this has to stop,” as if the things said were facts vetted by credentialed journalists.CONTINUED IN THE COMMENTS

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As we prepare the new 2025 survey, here are some follow up considerations regarding the recent posts on genres and subgenres, specialties, and ways of working. We plan to track numerous aspects and approaches to “professional” photography—we want to capture nuance for sure, but some obvious big differentiators exist in the ways you pursue your craft. Here, we offer up some ways of distinguishing and dividing in broad categories. This is as much a theoretical approach as it is a practical one—hope you find it interesting. Your comments (as always) are welcome and make sure you give @hmphotoprof a follow.

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Ok, I know this skews old and @davidburnettfoto is probably the 30/30 GOAT on this but it’s just for fun 🤩 … and I wanna go viral once…

Photographers, does this cover 99% of commercial a

Photographers, does this cover 99% of commercial and editorial photography (I’m leaving out retail AKA direct to consumer photography as that’s not covered in the survey)? Could you pick one from the list as your primary source of income? We will be launching our 2025 industry survey soon and we want to get a clear picture of the different genres within our industry.

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For the next survey I’m looking to make a well e

For the next survey I’m looking to make a well edited list of genres you can choose from as a professional commercial or editorial photographer. I need to make it a drop down so I want it as accurate as possible but not include super niche jobs. Let me know if you would add or remove anything from this:Agriculture Animals Architectural Automotive Children Corporate Documentary Ecomm Event Family Fashion
Film & TV Fine Art Fitness Food and/or Beverage Hospitality Hunting & Fishing Industrial Interior Landscape Lifestyle Photojournalism
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Gender breakdown! While the findings on this slide

Gender breakdown! While the findings on this slide and the next one (make sure you watch until the end for the gender vs. years in the industry breakdown) are likely not a surprise, there are some interesting details here. A reminder that our sample size is small, the survey is somewhat dated, folks came from all over but it skews American: 80% are located in the US. Does this sound right to you: women are making about 86 cents for every dollar a man nets?

New survey is in development! What questions should we ask? Let us know in the comments. Like, share, and give @hmphotoprof a follow.

This has been one of my favourite deep dives into

This has been one of my favourite deep dives into the survey data: net income mapped against years in the industry. It’s a pretty graph no doubt but it may be a bit confusing. Listen for more context, opinions, and questions for you (under 50K net and 10+ years in the industry?) Plus, average net income is $135,000 per year—how do we feel about that? Like and share and give @hmphotoprof a follow!

Reps!How do you feel about representation? Are y

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The Daily Edit
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This data might be a bit dated, but we’ll take t

This data might be a bit dated, but we’ll take the win; as you can see from the graph, most respondents reported a positive trend in their income post-covid. Listen for some reflections on charging more and working less. Plus, some thoughts on the benefits of diversifying your offering. How’s 2024 ending for you?

A few weeks back I asked photographers how they de

A few weeks back I asked photographers how they deal with abusive clients after someone asked if I would bring the topic up because they were dealing with a client who’d gone off the rails. There was so much great advice given in the comments I’m reposting it for future reference. Here’s a summary of the advice followed by the full comments from photographers:“Emotional projection says more about the clients person ( weakness) do not take it personally““I try to mitigate this on the front end with very clear expectations and a very thorough contract. I also make detailed notes during our pre-production and calls. Any time there is a question about deliverables or a client oversteps with over communication or “sweetly” asks for things above/beyond what I’ve agreed to, I try to kindly remind them of our initial agreement. I also make sure my contracts say I have the right to withdraw from a project for any reason I see fit. You just have to take your initial agreements seriously. I’ve only had one client get nasty with me after our project was complete, but I held up my end of the bargain and completed the project to the best of my ability. I think it’s a skill to be able to weed the abusive clients out on the front end before you ever agree to work with them in the first place. Just always be sure you’re covering yourself with contracts, even with friends and family. Keep emails/past communication. Cover all your bases, every single time.”“I feel that this is an increasing problem that used to happen once in a while and now it’s much more frequent. Clients using gaslighting (and the
“promise” of more work in the future) to manipulate artists into doing more work with no compensation. When I experience this level of abuse from a client (and I have more than once) | finish the job with a smile on my face and I never answer any future inquiries for work with them.”“I would recommend allowing yourself some time to cool down from the harassment, and when you’re in a good calm space write a professional email firing them as a client.”CONTINUED IN THE COMMENTS

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THE DAILY EDIT
by @heidivolpe@nytimes
Photographer: @haiyunjiang 2022 -2023 The New York Times Fellowship Recipient – Washington, D.C.

Heidi: You created Grassroots, a magazine that focused on individuals involved in the different aspects of the 2018 midterm election. What trends did you notice then, and how were they represented in this 2024 election cycle?  Haiyun: When I created Grassroots for a class assignment at Ohio University, I felt the momentum from local Democrats, as well as women, to run for public office at a local level, after almost two years into Donald Trump’s first presidency. I was interested in how local elections reflected a national sentiment or lack thereof. I followed Erica Crawley, a black single mother who was running for Ohio State Representative at the time, on her campaign.I covered both former President Donald Trump’s and Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaigns on and off for this election cycle, and from my experience I felt a stronger sense of urgency from both sides to get their candidates elected to the White House, more so than the 2018 midterm election.CONTINUED IN THE COMMENTS

NOTE: Reposting this from last week because I acci

NOTE: Reposting this from last week because I accidentally cut the video off.Advice! Big topic here but we’ve distilled down the highlights. There was lots of discussion around the benefits of having a distinct style or niche so it’s getting its own post soon. Otherwise, we can probably all agree on the importance of kindness, community, and business skills. But working for free? Most of you weren’t keen. Watch the video for the full report but in the meantime, what other nuggets of wisdom can you share? Worst advice? Best advice? Unpopular advice? Comment below and give @hmphotoprof a follow.

Is it better to develop a distinct style, find a n

Is it better to develop a distinct style, find a niche, or to generalize? As you can see from the quotes above, feelings are mixed. But the answer might be a bit from column A and a bit from column B. Watch the video for some opinions and further observations and give @hmphotoprof a follow.

Photo by the legendary @albello55 … oh the irony

Photo by the legendary @albello55 … oh the irony.

Advice! Big topic here but we’ve distilled down

Advice! Big topic here but we’ve distilled down the highlights. There was lots of discussion around the benefits of having a distinct style or niche so it’s getting its own post soon. Otherwise, we can probably all agree on the importance of kindness, community, and business skills. But working for free? Most of you weren’t keen. Watch the video for the full report but in the meantime, what other nuggets of wisdom can you share? Worst advice? Best advice? Unpopular advice? Comment below and fine @hmphotoprof a follow.

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Are you supplementing your income with non-shooting work? I don’t want to make too many assumptions about why 39% of photographers are earning extra cash on the side (love of the hustle or necessity?) but I do have a breakdown of where that additional money is coming from so listen for more context. What about you? Is this a part of your reality?

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Demographics! Who are the folks that participated

Demographics! Who are the folks that participated in the survey anyway? Swipe to see a few different demographic breakdowns. In theory, when we put some of these metrics together (how does gender or location relate to net income for example), we’ll begin to have a really nuanced view of the industry. What breakdowns do you want to see? What should we query on our upcoming survey?

Day Rate! This data was a bit tricky to extract so

Day Rate! This data was a bit tricky to extract so feel free to weigh in below on how this squares with you. Who’s lumping in social media and non-advertising web use in a typical day rate fee? Does $3000 seem accurate to your experience as a commercial photographer? Who’s able to get addition usage? Listen for more context and give @hmphotoprof a follow.

A Photo Editor continues to provide much-needed tr

A Photo Editor continues to provide much-needed transparency in the Commercial Photography business. Recent Instagram posts inspired me to write about my experiences as a working photographer.I’ve been a commercial photographer since the 1980s. My first ASMP chapter meeting, in the basement of a camera store, felt like an initiation into a world of seasoned pros. There was laughter, camaraderie, and—just as quickly—accusations of lowballing and client poaching. Discussions about predatory contracts, work-for-hire deals, and difficult clients were common. At the time, I was a young assistant, just trying to make sense of it all. What struck me most, however, was despite the tension in those meetings, these photographers were dedicated to creating great work for their clients. It took me years to realize that photography is a business like no other, and while we all use similar tools, the ways we practice and survive in this industry are incredibly personal.One of the biggest misconceptions, especially in online communities like A Photo Editor, is that we’re all playing by the same rules. We’re not. There’s an idealized notion of a “golden age” in commercial photography where clients paid handsomely, and photographers were revered for their craft. The truth is, there was never a golden era, while there have always been superstars, the rest of us have been adapting and figuring things out as we go.When I began my career in New York City, licensing and usage fees were standard practice. But the internet changed everything. Suddenly, clients had more places to use the same image and didn’t always want to pay for that extended usage. Then, when I moved to Pittsburgh in the 1990s, I realized business dynamics were different here; clients weren’t working from the same playbook, and I had to adjust. This industry doesn’t operate under one-size-fits-all rules, we each navigate our own unique landscape.CONTINUED IN THE COMMENTS

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Marketing! Responses to the P:HMDYM study around marketing were mixed. Some folks are definitely struggling with Instagram and it sounds like Directories really aren’t all that anymore. What do you think: Is Instagram a “necessary evil”? Is SEO really “everything” for your business? Are you sending targeted cold emails and seeing results? What’s your approach to marketing? Tell us in the comments below and give @hmphotoprof a follow.

Photographers, what are we doing about abusive cli

Photographers, what are we doing about abusive clients?

Video! Responses to the P:HMDYM study seem to sugg

Video! Responses to the P:HMDYM study seem to suggest that requests to shoot video are less frequent than expected. What’s going on for you now? Can you charge more for these asks or is the client approaching video as just an add-on to an already busy day at no extra cost? Are these requests going up and how are you monetizing them? What impact is video having on your business? Tell us in the comments below and give @hmphotoprof a follow.

I’m excited to launch a new column where Heather

I’m excited to launch a new column where Heather Morton @hmphotoprof looks at the data I’ve collected and presents interesting and informative themes, patterns and nuggets of wisdom. There’s a lot to talk about and we want to use information we’ve gathered to back it up. I’m also excited to partner with her on a new survey that will have more rigor and give us a better picture of the industry we all love. Please give her a follow and show your support.

A Year of Struggles“Between you and me, 2024

A Year of Struggles“Between you and me, 2024 sucks too. My market is shit tho. Should have moved 10 years ago. Had to take a job in home remodel/construction.”“I’ve been doing this for over 13 years. I went from having some of the busiest years of my career (2019 thru August 2023) to doing maybe 20% of that so far this year.”“Absolute dumpster fire of a year. If it weren’t for the 2 jobs I have been able to snag as of this summer, I’d be in some serious trouble.”“Worst year of my career.”“Two shoots a week in 2016, my peak. Then at some point, I raised my prices after realizing I burned myself out for relative peanuts. Did three shoots all year so far in 2024.”“Worst year on record for me in 15 years including COVID.”“I feel incredibly seen reading these comments. Being a commercial photographer can feel so isolating. You never know what’s really happening on the outside.”“Last year was bad, but this year feels like someone turned off the faucet completely.”“I had to get a 9-5 because I can’t get booked. I’m struggling so much, and it’s crushing me.”The Rise of AI and Economic Pressures“Lost out on 2 separate assignments because the client decided to turn to AI. This alone has made this year very ominous to the future of my beloved profession.”“Budgets are lower, usage isn’t a thing these days, and no one cares or can see quality.”“Inflation, AI, election, brands changing from big shoots to many smaller shoots to get more content for the ever hungry content monster called social media.”“Everyone wants to save money, and AI is becoming the go-to solution. It’s terrifying.”“I’ve seen jobs disappear overnight because they figured AI could do it cheaper.”“Clients are spending less, expecting more, and AI is just another nail in the coffin.”“This year alone, I’ve lost out on at least three jobs to AI. It’s really unsettling.”“The industry has been in decline for over a decade, but the momentum is getting strong enough that EVERYONE feels it and sees it now.”“Even the ‘big’ corporate clients are pushing back more on estimates than they used to.”CONTINUED IN THE COMMENTS

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2023 numbers $77,000 spent on freelance contracto

2023 numbers
$77,000 spent on freelance contractors
$179,000 employee payroll (includes me)
Employees make between $40k and $60k a year
$20,000 office space (but I personally own the building so I pay myself rent)
$8,000 legal and professional services
$10,000 job supplies
$7,700 advertising
$8,500 gas
$11,000 utilitiesBusiness is structured as an s-corp with myself and spouse as the officersOur clients span from publicly traded large companies to family owned, almost all based in Texas but some are international.
I have 2 full time and 2 part time employees.For retirement I’m saving 8% of my income paid to myself in 401K. Saving $75-$100,000 a year of business income in money market account at 3% returnWe have three rental properties including the one my business offices out of that I am paying off still but will have one paid off within 3 years. Two are on Airbnb which my wife manages.Off most Saturdays and Sundays but occasionally we do have weekend shoots. I take about 4-6 weeks off a year for vacations but have staff still doing shoots. I work a lot almost all the time even on vacation a bit remotely, however since I hired a project manager I’ve been able to be more off duty on vacations.Every year for the last 6 years out business income has continued to increase and the business has grown.Typically work on a $3500/day rate, could be 8-10 hrs. This doesn’t include edited video, that is billed at about $500/final edited minute. There are other add-ons. We like to try to make about $5000-$8000 a shoot. Joint licensing is included as we use the content for our own marketing as well. We charge extra for exclusive. Payment terms are on net 30 so we always have a cash flow of income coming in for 30-60 days out. Most shoots are 8 hr days and we work in some hot, desolate and dangerous conditions. Specialized safety training is required for our people.CONTINUED IN THE COMMENTS

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